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> On a margin that far surpasses almost all other countries in the west. Which developed country doesn't it surpass? From what I've seen the Netherlands is wel
by jld89 5y ago
> On a margin that far surpasses almost all other countries in the west.
Which developed country doesn't it surpass? From what I've seen the Netherlands is well on the road to becoming today's Mexico.
- the-dude 5y agoMexicans are being flown in to operate meth labs and coke launderies in the countryside.
- bjornsing 5y agoInteresting. In Sweden there is a lot of talk now about liberalizing drug laws to fight organized crime (by taking their market away from them), but this hasn’t worked out for the Netherlands?
- amarant 5y agoThere is? I mean, I talk about it allot, but I feel like I'm the only one.... Maybe it's a more common line of thinking outside of Stockholm? Or maybe it's just not common in my circuits
- the-dude 5y agoThe Netherlands is an exporter. Be careful what you wish for.
- umanwizard 5y agoLarge-scale manufacture and trade in drugs is still illegal in the Netherlands. The retail coffeeshops are tolerated, but they all still have to buy from criminals.
- bjornsing 5y agoThat sounds like the worst of both worlds: allow a massive market to develop and then funnel the money into the criminal sector…
- Lutger 5y agoEven small-scale is illegal. We are not as liberal as our reputation. The conservative and christian parties have been in power for several decades now, and drug policies have only become less liberal under their governance. Ironically, some of the US states are now among the most liberal and forward-thinking in the West - the Dutch are becoming more and more backwards (I live there).
- umanwizard 5y agoIndeed. I should have said illegal _and actively prosecuted_, unlike small-scale trade at the Amsterdam coffeeshops that most foreigners are familiar with.
- Lutger 5y agoDrugs are very much not liberalized in the Netherlands, even growing Marihuana is illegal. We're just not arresting drug users, that's it. But it's still very much a criminal enterprise to create the stuff.
- pelasaco 5y agoHow much do you think that liberal immigration and drugs laws are responsible for that? What are the proposed changes to revert this narco-state status?
- gpvos 5y agoThat is a non-sequitur; GP states drugs are not liberalized and you ask after liberal drugs laws. Immigration laws are a European matter, we are a Schengen country and can do little about internal European travel; at the European frontier, even illegal pushbacks are done in a vain attempt to keep people out.
- pelasaco 5y agoThe report is from 2000 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/new-wave-of-criminals-operating-in-holland-are-violent-1.278589 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/new-wave-of-criminals-operat..., unfortunately, I couldn't find the original report from 1999/2000 from Europol
- gpvos 5y agoI was just reacting what you wrote in relation to its parent. Also, please don't edit your comments to say something entirely different. And also, I don't know about you, but both Lutger and me live in the country under discussion.
- pelasaco 5y agowhat, I just edited, after you edited. So, its ok, no?
- contravariant 5y agoThe Netherlands hasn't liberalized drug laws in decades. There's a large discussion at the moment about fully legalizing marihuana (which, while tolerated, is still illegal).
- jobstijl 5y agoWe haven't legalized the production of drugs in the Netherlands, so our 'gedoogbeleid' does not help against organized crime. It does help on the health side of the debate though.