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Meanwhile developers complain that the app store cut is too high for small devs. Heads up. If a big tech co is not going to make back money from you - the amou

Meanwhile developers complain that the app store cut is too high for small devs. Heads up. If a big tech co is not going to make back money from you - the amount of careful human review by well paid folks is going to be minimal because the scale of cheap / free users is so high.

BoorishBears 5y ago
You just tried to call out people complaining about the cut they take right now with the logic that leads to piss poor service (terrible take but let's roll with it) Right now OP is getting piss poor service. So how does A relate to B in the context of this post? You think there's worse than the current 0 percent warning and support they got, or...
- whoknowswhat11 5y ago
  Would devs do a more standard Sony/Playstation type agreement? Something like maybe $10K per year base, and then extra to get an app certified etc? Similar cut in the end? There are models that allow for better service- problem is they tend to be expensive for smaller devs
  - BoorishBears 5y ago
    I hate when people make comments that assume no one will call them out on obvious BS. I was part of Nintendo's dev program in the Wii days, grand cost was 0 dollars a year. NOA lent us dev kits worth thousands of dollars and we had direct forum access to software developers working for Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft will do similar. You're talking about arrangements where Sony is acting at least in-part as a publisher, not indie titles going up on their shop as is comparable.
supermatt 5y ago
And this is EXACTLY why people are fighting against google and apple exclusively controlling the stores on the respective platforms. Edit: yes, i know you can add a 3rd party "store" to android, but it doesnt have the same rights as the google store, and its certainly not a user friendly process.
raptorfactor 5y ago
So they need to take a huge cut to provide awful service regardless? Huh?
- whoknowswhat11 5y ago
  For many (most) small developers, they are not taking a "huge" amount of money. One developer at apple is around 300K, or around $600K with overhead. Many of these smaller apps pay maybe $100 + a tiny bit of sales which are small. You call this "huge" money. This is not. Apple will provide global distribution / accessibility etc for almost nothing (they also will give you xcode etc etc as part of your $100). Devs want gold plate expert service but don't want to pay for it. Have you been involved in any tech to tech co deals? The amounts apple is taking here are tiny - to apple they are zero for small devs.
realusername 5y ago
I don't complain about the fee, I just don't want to hear about the app store at all and distribute my software freely without unwanted middleware which don't add value.
- rimliu 5y ago
  For me as a user it adds a lot of value.
  - realusername 5y ago
    If there's really some value added, you have nothing to worry about, it should survive by itself.
peteretep 5y ago
Almost sounds like they’re providing a utility, and should be regulated

BoorishBears 5y ago

You just tried to call out people complaining about the cut they take right now with the logic that leads to piss poor service (terrible take but let's roll with it) Right now OP is getting piss poor service. So how does A relate to B in the context of this post? You think there's worse than the current 0 percent warning and support they got, or...

whoknowswhat11 5y ago
Would devs do a more standard Sony/Playstation type agreement? Something like maybe $10K per year base, and then extra to get an app certified etc? Similar cut in the end? There are models that allow for better service- problem is they tend to be expensive for smaller devs
- BoorishBears 5y ago
  I hate when people make comments that assume no one will call them out on obvious BS. I was part of Nintendo's dev program in the Wii days, grand cost was 0 dollars a year. NOA lent us dev kits worth thousands of dollars and we had direct forum access to software developers working for Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft will do similar. You're talking about arrangements where Sony is acting at least in-part as a publisher, not indie titles going up on their shop as is comparable.

supermatt 5y ago

And this is EXACTLY why people are fighting against google and apple exclusively controlling the stores on the respective platforms. Edit: yes, i know you can add a 3rd party "store" to android, but it doesnt have the same rights as the google store, and its certainly not a user friendly process.

raptorfactor 5y ago

So they need to take a huge cut to provide awful service regardless? Huh?

whoknowswhat11 5y ago
For many (most) small developers, they are not taking a "huge" amount of money. One developer at apple is around 300K, or around $600K with overhead. Many of these smaller apps pay maybe $100 + a tiny bit of sales which are small. You call this "huge" money. This is not. Apple will provide global distribution / accessibility etc for almost nothing (they also will give you xcode etc etc as part of your $100). Devs want gold plate expert service but don't want to pay for it. Have you been involved in any tech to tech co deals? The amounts apple is taking here are tiny - to apple they are zero for small devs.

realusername 5y ago

I don't complain about the fee, I just don't want to hear about the app store at all and distribute my software freely without unwanted middleware which don't add value.

rimliu 5y ago
For me as a user it adds a lot of value.
- realusername 5y ago
  If there's really some value added, you have nothing to worry about, it should survive by itself.

peteretep 5y ago

Almost sounds like they’re providing a utility, and should be regulated