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> It’s an interesting thought experiment as to what it would take for the world to force protection with an external military force (e.g. this might be the only

by eloff 5y ago

> It’s an interesting thought experiment as to what it would take for the world to force protection with an external military force (e.g. this might be the only solution, but the chances of it happening are zero). Brazil would never tolerate that, nor should they. On the other hand if you want to buy huge tracts of the Amazon and pay private security forces to protect it, that's doable. Better though would be to make it in Brazil's interest to protect the Amazon. We all benefit from it being intact, so we should all chip in to create an economic incentive for the county of Brazil to maintain it.

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Phaedor 5y ago
> Better though would be to make it in Brazil's interest to protect the Amazon. We all benefit from it being intact, so we should all chip in to create an economic incentive for the county of Brazil to maintain it. Something like this exists in the Amazon Fund. Unfortunately it seems like it has broken down lately: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-environment-norway-idUSKCN1V52C9 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-environment-norway...
titzer 5y ago
> Better though would be to make it in Brazil's interest to protect the Amazon. We all benefit from it being intact, so we should all chip in to create an economic incentive for the county of Brazil to maintain it. It's really a sad little pretzel of hell that we (supposedly) need to create economic incentives for every human on Earth to not squander their local resources for short term gain when it is in fact economic incentives that got that ball rolling downhill in the first place. But yeah, I guess we'll find a way to throw globalism and money at a problem created by globalism and money.
- eloff 5y ago
  I agree it's unfortunate. I don't know of any alternatives to globalism and capitalism that aren't worse though. But it's important to recognize where capitalism fails (tragedy of the commons situations, negative externalities) and address those.
Dumblydorr 5y ago
Someone above stated they were just near the Amazon, they saw someone's privately owned lot got invaded with bulldozers. I'm not sure if private ownership is the answer, the Amazon is extremely huge.
- eloff 5y ago
  Its not enough to own it, you have to actually have armed security on the ground to protect it. People are killed in Brazil trying to defend the forest from illegal logging and clearing. I think the state should take on that role, but there needs to be a strong inventive for them to want to protect it.

by eloff 5y ago

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Phaedor 5y ago

> Better though would be to make it in Brazil's interest to protect the Amazon. We all benefit from it being intact, so we should all chip in to create an economic incentive for the county of Brazil to maintain it. Something like this exists in the Amazon Fund. Unfortunately it seems like it has broken down lately: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-environment-norway-idUSKCN1V52C9 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-environment-norway...

titzer 5y ago

> Better though would be to make it in Brazil's interest to protect the Amazon. We all benefit from it being intact, so we should all chip in to create an economic incentive for the county of Brazil to maintain it. It's really a sad little pretzel of hell that we (supposedly) need to create economic incentives for every human on Earth to not squander their local resources for short term gain when it is in fact economic incentives that got that ball rolling downhill in the first place. But yeah, I guess we'll find a way to throw globalism and money at a problem created by globalism and money.

eloff 5y ago
I agree it's unfortunate. I don't know of any alternatives to globalism and capitalism that aren't worse though. But it's important to recognize where capitalism fails (tragedy of the commons situations, negative externalities) and address those.

Dumblydorr 5y ago

Someone above stated they were just near the Amazon, they saw someone's privately owned lot got invaded with bulldozers. I'm not sure if private ownership is the answer, the Amazon is extremely huge.

eloff 5y ago
Its not enough to own it, you have to actually have armed security on the ground to protect it. People are killed in Brazil trying to defend the forest from illegal logging and clearing. I think the state should take on that role, but there needs to be a strong inventive for them to want to protect it.