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I was a long time Gawker reader. Did they push the boundary of taste and decency? Absolutely. But if you want to be fair, let’s compare their worst takes to the
by dls2016 5y ago
I was a long time Gawker reader. Did they push the boundary of taste and decency? Absolutely. But if you want to be fair, let’s compare their worst takes to the worst takes of other rags… or even the “paper of record” which routinely pushed the US into wars of aggression.
- chirau 5y agoWhataboutism is tiresome. Two wrongs do not make a right.
- falcor84 5y ago... but three lefts do. I'm not looking to defend Gawker, but I believe that comparing it and its impact versus competitors/substitutes is absolutely relevant.
- jgalt212 5y agowhataboutism the empirically based. For that reason along, I feel I must entertain its arguments.
- pessimizer 5y agoWhataboutism is one of the major forces that ended Jim Crow in the US.
- merpnderp 5y agoWhataboutism is just a word hypocrites invented to avoid acknowledging their blatant hypocrisy.
- teddyh 5y agoAccusations of hypocrisy is only an ad-hominem argument; i.e. a fallacy.
- merpnderp 5y agoLol, no. Hypocrisy is a type of lying. You say you care about something for a reason, but actually only care about it for another often less persuasive reason. You see it all the time in politics where people are outraged at X when the other party does it, but can't be assed to care when X is done by their own party. They're lying that they care about X. The truth is they're using it as a lie for political power.
- teddyh 5y agoI don't agree, but even if you were right, how is an accusation of lying still not an ad-hominem argument? - "I think that this other person did a bad thing X." - "You're lying, your other actions show that you don't really think X is a bad thing." How is that an argument? The issue was originally that some other person did a bad thing X, but the second person above changed it to attack the first person making the argument, and accused the first person about lying about what they really think. Is this not an ad-hominem?
- paulgb 5y agoI mean, I feel like as a proponent of free speech, I can stand by a paper's right to publish bad (even dangerous) takes, but I have trouble defending Gawker's right to publish a sex tape of a non-notable college student as free speech.