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He's rejoined and left the industry multiple times. While he brings up plenty of valid issues, Jackson could also do with some self-reflection.

browningstreet 5y ago
His twitter thread seems well considered and reflective.
rualca 5y ago
> He's rejoined and left the industry multiple times. While he brings up plenty of valid issues, Jackson could also do with some self-reflection. It seems to me that his personal journey granted him a privileged vantage point to talk about this topic, with more insight than the vast majority of people. Clearly, if anyone did that exercise in self-reflection, it was him. Don't you agree? And why is he, of all people, the one being singled out and required to meet all those high bars?
louis___ 5y ago
> He's rejoined and left the industry multiple times. [...] Jackson could also do with some self-reflection. Changing your mind about something is a sign of open-mindedness, not lack of self-reflection
dmos62 5y ago
A smart man once said, "I'd rather be a hypocrite than the same person forever." It was Adam Horovitz, of Beastie Boys, when confronted about going from sexism in their early content to defending gender equality later in life.
- RedComet 5y ago
  Lmfao, I definitely didn't expect to see someone brown nosing the beastie boys today. I've finally seen it all.
  - mustacheemperor 5y ago
    Based on your post history, it seems like you may not be familiar with the expectations for discourse in this community. Per the guidelines[0] > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. It looks like a lot of your grey comments did not follow this guideline. I see you've been here since 2018, but maybe nobody ever brought it up. This community is different from other places like reddit, and its partly because of these practices. [0]https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - RedComet 5y ago
      I've been here a lot longer than that. But one must keep in mind, when those guidelines were written, no one fathomed a comment attributing a vanilla statement to a beastie boy after praising him as smart would be made. This makes ≈3 snarky comments, the rest were simply unpopular.
      - dmos62 5y ago
        I've nothing but respect for the group, including the member I mentioned. Instead of all this trash talk you could have just said what bothers you about them.
        RedComet 5y ago
        Foremost is what I said before - the quote is entirely unremarkable and unoriginal. You could easily choose a quote with the same content but said by someone actually remarkable, although there is literally no reason to quote here at all here since anyone that has made it through adolescence has came to the same realization. What catapulted it from silly to amusing was that the person you quoted is entirely unremarkable, known only for being in a group that made some of the worst "music" I have ever heard get regular radio play.
        5y ago
- yongli 5y ago
  I'm not sure what other peoples' conception of hypocrisy is, but for me I think that it's acting in a manner that contradicts, or is at odds with your espoused beliefs. The simultaneous part is important, if your beliefs change and your actions change accordingly; that doesn't count as hypocrisy in my book.
- maybeOneDay 5y ago
  Similarly, for the fantasy nerds: "Sometimes a hypocrite is nothing more than a man in the process of changing." - Brandon Sanderson, Oathbringer
  - effingwewt 5y ago
    I do this with myself constantly. I think if I met my younger self I would hate me. I don't know how far back in time it takes for a disconnect of 'who was I then to do that?' or 'I can't believe I did that' but sometimes I think back to recent things and get so embarrassed my face turns red and heats up. Like Bill Burr sometimes I have to scream it out and wriggle to release the shame.
    - dariusj18 5y ago
      I recently reread some of my livejournal posts. I definitely hate me.
- 8458e112e7b2 5y ago
  Oh? Why isn't the same consideration given to people hit by "cancel culture"?
  - dmos62 5y ago
    Are you asking why mob intelligence is not intelligent?

browningstreet 5y ago

His twitter thread seems well considered and reflective.

rualca 5y ago

> He's rejoined and left the industry multiple times. While he brings up plenty of valid issues, Jackson could also do with some self-reflection. It seems to me that his personal journey granted him a privileged vantage point to talk about this topic, with more insight than the vast majority of people. Clearly, if anyone did that exercise in self-reflection, it was him. Don't you agree? And why is he, of all people, the one being singled out and required to meet all those high bars?

louis___ 5y ago

> He's rejoined and left the industry multiple times. [...] Jackson could also do with some self-reflection. Changing your mind about something is a sign of open-mindedness, not lack of self-reflection

dmos62 5y ago

A smart man once said, "I'd rather be a hypocrite than the same person forever." It was Adam Horovitz, of Beastie Boys, when confronted about going from sexism in their early content to defending gender equality later in life.

RedComet 5y ago
Lmfao, I definitely didn't expect to see someone brown nosing the beastie boys today. I've finally seen it all.
- mustacheemperor 5y ago
  Based on your post history, it seems like you may not be familiar with the expectations for discourse in this community. Per the guidelines[0] > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. It looks like a lot of your grey comments did not follow this guideline. I see you've been here since 2018, but maybe nobody ever brought it up. This community is different from other places like reddit, and its partly because of these practices. [0]https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - RedComet 5y ago
    I've been here a lot longer than that. But one must keep in mind, when those guidelines were written, no one fathomed a comment attributing a vanilla statement to a beastie boy after praising him as smart would be made. This makes ≈3 snarky comments, the rest were simply unpopular.
    - dmos62 5y ago
      I've nothing but respect for the group, including the member I mentioned. Instead of all this trash talk you could have just said what bothers you about them.
      - RedComet 5y ago
        Foremost is what I said before - the quote is entirely unremarkable and unoriginal. You could easily choose a quote with the same content but said by someone actually remarkable, although there is literally no reason to quote here at all here since anyone that has made it through adolescence has came to the same realization. What catapulted it from silly to amusing was that the person you quoted is entirely unremarkable, known only for being in a group that made some of the worst "music" I have ever heard get regular radio play.
        5y ago
yongli 5y ago
I'm not sure what other peoples' conception of hypocrisy is, but for me I think that it's acting in a manner that contradicts, or is at odds with your espoused beliefs. The simultaneous part is important, if your beliefs change and your actions change accordingly; that doesn't count as hypocrisy in my book.
maybeOneDay 5y ago
Similarly, for the fantasy nerds: "Sometimes a hypocrite is nothing more than a man in the process of changing." - Brandon Sanderson, Oathbringer
- effingwewt 5y ago
  I do this with myself constantly. I think if I met my younger self I would hate me. I don't know how far back in time it takes for a disconnect of 'who was I then to do that?' or 'I can't believe I did that' but sometimes I think back to recent things and get so embarrassed my face turns red and heats up. Like Bill Burr sometimes I have to scream it out and wriggle to release the shame.
  - dariusj18 5y ago
    I recently reread some of my livejournal posts. I definitely hate me.
8458e112e7b2 5y ago
Oh? Why isn't the same consideration given to people hit by "cancel culture"?
- dmos62 5y ago
  Are you asking why mob intelligence is not intelligent?