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30 Years in Hong Kong

56 points by FabHK 5y ago

jinguang 5y ago
他倾向于一种无政府的自由主义。其实西方的自由民主都是自私的民主和自由，建立在最底层阶级的蔑视和压迫之上或者说知识分子的自私自利的表现。只符合少数精英的自由思想，并不是中国所需的，也是不可能的。所以，建议早点离开香港，别犹豫。20年后的中国香港无论政治还是经济必然融合于大陆。
- __void 5y ago
  动态网自由门天安門天安门法輪功李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏土伯特唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主言論思想反共反革命抗議運動騷亂暴亂騷擾擾亂抗暴平反維權示威游行李洪志法輪大法大法弟子強制斷種強制堕胎民族淨化人體實驗肅清胡耀邦趙紫陽魏京生王丹還政於民和平演變激流中國北京之春大紀元時報九評論共産黨獨裁專制壓制統一監視鎮壓迫害侵略掠奪破壞拷問屠殺活摘器官誘拐買賣人口遊進走私毒品賣淫春畫賭博六合彩天安門天安门法輪功李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门
danuker 5y ago
Freedom is evaporating everywhere. Who will fight? No individual citizen can take on states of as obscene size as never before seen. What you can do is to stop sponsoring authoritarianism. Vote with your feet (and move). Pay your taxes to some place freer: https://www.heritage.org/index/heatmap https://www.heritage.org/index/heatmap https://rsf.org/en/ranking https://rsf.org/en/ranking
- throwaway4good 5y ago
  So you are going to move to Singapore?
- docdeek 5y ago
  Saudi Arabia ranked ahead of where I pay taxes (France) on that Heritage list. That’s a surprise but also a reinforcement of the idea that economic freedom does not always strictly align with political freedom.
  - danuker 5y ago
    Indeed, there is a low tax burden but also little freedom of expression. That is why I included RSF's press freedom index also. Hmm. Perhaps the Heritage index was not relevant.
    - teddyh 5y ago
      Don’t forget the Corruption Perceptions Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
  - throwaway4good 5y ago
    The heritage foundation is a classic us conservative think thank and they like Saudi Arabia and don’t particular like France. It is just politics. Of course, you are much more free in France / the eu, including when it comes to economic matters.
    - docdeek 5y ago
      I guess it depends on the definition of ‘economically free’. Maybe it is easier/less regulated opening a business in Saudi than in France? Or just faster and less paperwork? Maybe it is far easier to hire/fire people in Saudi?
      - Clewza313 5y ago
        Having worked there for a while, everything about running a business in Saudi is pretty nightmarish. But importing virtual slave labor from the third world and working them to death (all too often literally) is cheap.
        sparsely 5y ago
        That's the same sort of freedom that the foundation's name refers to, so SA scoring well adds up.
      - 5y ago
- baybal2 5y ago
  > Freedom is evaporating everywhere. Who will fight? You will. If an average person can say "I will fight," people will fight, if an average person can't say "I will fight," people wouldn't, and will be subverted by ones who can. That's the only hard truth there. You people in the West, do not forget. Your freedom did not simply fall upon you from the sky once you reached some development level. Your freedom was paid in blood, guts, and violence. This is a simple historical fact. What you call the developed West today had the biggest share of revolutions, civil wars, regular wars, and general social strife than the rest of the world combined over the last 200-300 years. The shackles of slavery are very easy to put on, but extremely pricey to get rid of. Historically, great injustices almost never quietly resolved on themselves. They were either ended by external influence, or failed catastrophically in a burst of extreme violence, like slave uprisings, serf revolts, revolutions, and such. Some keep telling that lessons of the French revolution(s) are no longer relevant today, I'd say they are scarily getting more, and more relevant with each passing year.
- uniqueid 5y ago
  I do not want the kind of 'freedom' that the Heritage Foundation promotes.
- just_one_time_ 5y ago
  Don't pay taxes, using Bitcoin.
roenxi 5y ago
Ironically, this sort of quashing of freedom is the only hope the US has of maintaining any sort of global hegemony. If China had a political process robust enough to elect and then retire a Trump-like figure, the US would simply be the inferior superpower. The only structural advantage I see for the US these days is the superior legal and political framework.
- deleted 5y ago
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jacob2484 5y ago
LeBron James criticized for saying Rockets GM 'misinformed' on Hong Kong "It's sad to see him join the chorus kowtowing to Community China & putting profits over human rights for #HongKong," Sen. Rick Scott, R-Fla., tweeted. Profits first
- deregulateMed 5y ago
  Apple too. Ban pro freedom Apps, hand data over to dictatorships. Think different.
dr-detroit 5y ago
this seems painfully biased I almost feel like I should be rooting for the government the way its written

56 points by FabHK 5y ago

他倾向于一种无政府的自由主义。其实西方的自由民主都是自私的民主和自由，建立在最底层阶级的蔑视和压迫之上或者说知识分子的自私自利的表现。只符合少数精英的自由思想，并不是中国所需的，也是不可能的。所以，建议早点离开香港，别犹豫。20年后的中国香港无论政治还是经济必然融合于大陆。

__void 5y ago
动态网自由门天安門天安门法輪功李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏土伯特唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主言論思想反共反革命抗議運動騷亂暴亂騷擾擾亂抗暴平反維權示威游行李洪志法輪大法大法弟子強制斷種強制堕胎民族淨化人體實驗肅清胡耀邦趙紫陽魏京生王丹還政於民和平演變激流中國北京之春大紀元時報九評論共産黨獨裁專制壓制統一監視鎮壓迫害侵略掠奪破壞拷問屠殺活摘器官誘拐買賣人口遊進走私毒品賣淫春畫賭博六合彩天安門天安门法輪功李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

danuker 5y ago

Freedom is evaporating everywhere. Who will fight? No individual citizen can take on states of as obscene size as never before seen. What you can do is to stop sponsoring authoritarianism. Vote with your feet (and move). Pay your taxes to some place freer: https://www.heritage.org/index/heatmap https://www.heritage.org/index/heatmap https://rsf.org/en/ranking https://rsf.org/en/ranking

throwaway4good 5y ago
So you are going to move to Singapore?
docdeek 5y ago
Saudi Arabia ranked ahead of where I pay taxes (France) on that Heritage list. That’s a surprise but also a reinforcement of the idea that economic freedom does not always strictly align with political freedom.
- danuker 5y ago
  Indeed, there is a low tax burden but also little freedom of expression. That is why I included RSF's press freedom index also. Hmm. Perhaps the Heritage index was not relevant.
  - teddyh 5y ago
    Don’t forget the Corruption Perceptions Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
- throwaway4good 5y ago
  The heritage foundation is a classic us conservative think thank and they like Saudi Arabia and don’t particular like France. It is just politics. Of course, you are much more free in France / the eu, including when it comes to economic matters.
  - docdeek 5y ago
    I guess it depends on the definition of ‘economically free’. Maybe it is easier/less regulated opening a business in Saudi than in France? Or just faster and less paperwork? Maybe it is far easier to hire/fire people in Saudi?
    - Clewza313 5y ago
      Having worked there for a while, everything about running a business in Saudi is pretty nightmarish. But importing virtual slave labor from the third world and working them to death (all too often literally) is cheap.
      - sparsely 5y ago
        That's the same sort of freedom that the foundation's name refers to, so SA scoring well adds up.
    - 5y ago
baybal2 5y ago
> Freedom is evaporating everywhere. Who will fight? You will. If an average person can say "I will fight," people will fight, if an average person can't say "I will fight," people wouldn't, and will be subverted by ones who can. That's the only hard truth there. You people in the West, do not forget. Your freedom did not simply fall upon you from the sky once you reached some development level. Your freedom was paid in blood, guts, and violence. This is a simple historical fact. What you call the developed West today had the biggest share of revolutions, civil wars, regular wars, and general social strife than the rest of the world combined over the last 200-300 years. The shackles of slavery are very easy to put on, but extremely pricey to get rid of. Historically, great injustices almost never quietly resolved on themselves. They were either ended by external influence, or failed catastrophically in a burst of extreme violence, like slave uprisings, serf revolts, revolutions, and such. Some keep telling that lessons of the French revolution(s) are no longer relevant today, I'd say they are scarily getting more, and more relevant with each passing year.
uniqueid 5y ago
I do not want the kind of 'freedom' that the Heritage Foundation promotes.
just_one_time_ 5y ago
Don't pay taxes, using Bitcoin.

roenxi 5y ago

Ironically, this sort of quashing of freedom is the only hope the US has of maintaining any sort of global hegemony. If China had a political process robust enough to elect and then retire a Trump-like figure, the US would simply be the inferior superpower. The only structural advantage I see for the US these days is the superior legal and political framework.

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jacob2484 5y ago

LeBron James criticized for saying Rockets GM 'misinformed' on Hong Kong "It's sad to see him join the chorus kowtowing to Community China & putting profits over human rights for #HongKong," Sen. Rick Scott, R-Fla., tweeted. Profits first

deregulateMed 5y ago
Apple too. Ban pro freedom Apps, hand data over to dictatorships. Think different.

dr-detroit 5y ago

this seems painfully biased I almost feel like I should be rooting for the government the way its written