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> "vaccines that do not provide sterilizing immunity" Here's the flaw in your argument. All vaccines provide immunity so the study does not apply. > because t
by adriancr 5y ago
> "vaccines that do not provide sterilizing immunity"
Here's the flaw in your argument. All vaccines provide immunity so the study does not apply.
> because the therapy doesn't prevent infection nor spreading of the virus)
Wrong. Biontech - 95% of the population is immune. It prevents spread to 95% of vaccinated people. The rest for some reason or another it doesn't work.
So you build your whole argument on a logical fallacy.
I think I repeated this a few times so no point in continuing if you can't wrap your head around this.
- codeflow2202 5y agoWrong. Again: Pfizer's chief scientific officer, Mikael Dolsten, said the recently reported dip in the vaccine's effectiveness in Israel was mostly due to infections in people who had been vaccinated in January or February. The country's health ministry said vaccine effectiveness in preventing both infection and symptomatic disease fell to 64% in June. 95% is based on faulty/old data. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-ask-fda-authorize-booster-dose-covid-vaccine-delta-variant-spreads-2021-07-08/ https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...
- adriancr 5y ago> vaccine effectiveness in preventing both infection Oh man... so you do agree with me it prevents infection... You are contradicting yourself... So, its not 95 its 64, it still gives immunity... check mate?
- codeflow2202 5y agoWrong. Definition of immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm If it prevents infection in 64% of cases it doesn't grant immunity.
- adriancr 5y agoDamn man, you do have trouble with basic concepts. 64% or 95% or whatever of the population are IMMUNE. It's not 'prevent infection 64% of the timr' as you would in a videogame... It's 'get vaccinated and you have X% chance to develop antibodies, if you do, you are immune.'
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- codeflow2202 5y agoIn this context, vaccines that do not provide sterilizing immunity (and therefore continue to permit transmission) will lead to the buildup of large standing populations of virus [47], greatly increasing the risk of immune escape And this sentence is from the study. A study about Covid "vaccines". Not me.
- adriancr 5y ago> vaccines that do not provide sterilizing immunity And those vaccines are which?, does the study allege any of the current vaccines does not provide immunity?, is so please put the quote and the study for that. Otherwise this is a hypothetical... if x then y... when x is false in reality...
- codeflow2202 5y agoWrong. The study cited in [47] clearly talks about the therapies from AstraZeneca/Oxford, Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.27.20240309v1.full-text https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.27.20240309v...
- adriancr 5y agoOh boy... sorry man, don't have the time to continue this. 47 in link above is a study of the cruise ship, not what you think. If you meant the actual link above, it clearly states vaccines give immunity but it might be waning, i.e: won't last, same as natural immunity Best of luck, thought I might help with your logic, but I admit defeat there.