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From an ethical point of few, twitter doesn't matter and didn't add anything real to our socieity. Google did: Maps, Android, gmail (yes gmail gave free https

From an ethical point of few, twitter doesn't matter and didn't add anything real to our socieity. Google did: Maps, Android, gmail (yes gmail gave free https email accounts when others not even enforced https), skin cancer research, Alphafold, co2 neutral datacenters, pushing now for 24/7 reneweable. Google literally changed the world. In my personal opinion, Google would be worth to stay and try to change google 'back' or whatever is going wrong. What has twitter changed for anyone? Srsly? The reacted when Trump became president they didn't forsee or work on mechanism to fix sharing and multiplying fake news. Other companies like Facebook for example are a global net negative as well. I'm seeing much more fakenewes and uneducated people on facebook commenting as antivaxer than anything else. I can't understand why you would go to twitter and rant about ethical and moral workplace questions.

afavour 5y ago
From the other point of view: through Maps, Android and Gmail Google has absolutely dominated the ad marketplace to a point where only Facebook can compete (and even then, weakly). They’ve built out incredible, unprecedented datasets of user activity online. If Twitter is polarising then YouTube is hyper-polarising. Twitter, I agree, is too insignificant to have done any of those things. So I can see how working there would feel a lot less morally compromising. > stay and try to change Google They’ve been at Google for 14 years. I think at that point you probably have a pretty clear idea what you, as an individual, are going to be able to change in the place.
- Mentoio 5y ago
  My argument was and still is, that Google as a company has and had such a positive impact, that in my opinion it is worth to stay at Google while there is no real sence of pride or anything beeing part of Twitter in comparison.
Apocryphon 5y ago
Didn’t Twitter invent Bootstrap?
- Mentoio 5y ago
  I personally wouldn't put something like bootstrap in the same category as all the things i wrote down. Android is not 'just' an mobile os ;its a free globally used mobile operating system used activly by over 3 billion people with an easy way to incorporate your own app market. I have not mentioned something like googles material design or angular. Google maps gave everyone a free few on the earth in a time where you had to pay for maps on your expensive navigation system. It took OpenStreetMap a while to do the same.
  - habi 5y ago
    > Google maps gave everyone a free [view] on the earth in a time where you had to pay for maps on your expensive navigation system. It took OpenStreetMap a while to do the same. Comparing the [history of OSM](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/History_of_OpenStreetMap https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/History_of_OpenStreetMap) with the [history of Google Maps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Maps#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Maps#History) I'm not entirely sure about that statement. OSM started in 2004, Google Maps was announced in 2005. No information on quality at that time, though :)

afavour 5y ago

From the other point of view: through Maps, Android and Gmail Google has absolutely dominated the ad marketplace to a point where only Facebook can compete (and even then, weakly). They’ve built out incredible, unprecedented datasets of user activity online. If Twitter is polarising then YouTube is hyper-polarising. Twitter, I agree, is too insignificant to have done any of those things. So I can see how working there would feel a lot less morally compromising. > stay and try to change Google They’ve been at Google for 14 years. I think at that point you probably have a pretty clear idea what you, as an individual, are going to be able to change in the place.

Mentoio 5y ago
My argument was and still is, that Google as a company has and had such a positive impact, that in my opinion it is worth to stay at Google while there is no real sence of pride or anything beeing part of Twitter in comparison.

Apocryphon 5y ago

Didn’t Twitter invent Bootstrap?

Mentoio 5y ago
I personally wouldn't put something like bootstrap in the same category as all the things i wrote down. Android is not 'just' an mobile os ;its a free globally used mobile operating system used activly by over 3 billion people with an easy way to incorporate your own app market. I have not mentioned something like googles material design or angular. Google maps gave everyone a free few on the earth in a time where you had to pay for maps on your expensive navigation system. It took OpenStreetMap a while to do the same.
- habi 5y ago
  > Google maps gave everyone a free [view] on the earth in a time where you had to pay for maps on your expensive navigation system. It took OpenStreetMap a while to do the same. Comparing the [history of OSM](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/History_of_OpenStreetMap https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/History_of_OpenStreetMap) with the [history of Google Maps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Maps#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Maps#History) I'm not entirely sure about that statement. OSM started in 2004, Google Maps was announced in 2005. No information on quality at that time, though :)