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Or you could rephrase it as "made up numbers reinforce the made up fact that minimum wage workers can't afford to live anywhere in the us despite all facts to t

Or you could rephrase it as "made up numbers reinforce the made up fact that minimum wage workers can't afford to live anywhere in the us despite all facts to the contrary"... ... if it helps...

kristopolous 5y ago
The keyword is "afford". Can it be paid for with enough money for other things in life? There's over 100 years of scholarship and research on this if you're interested. You can get college degrees, have careers in these related fields. American culture in general does not value and it's dismissive of it and that's probably why America's livibility metrics are so out of line with everyone else. (See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_livable_cities https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_livable_cities) Or why the life expectancy is lower, suicide is about the same rate as sub-saharan Africa, and polls of satisfaction and happiness perform worse, etc. Such problems can be addressed
- wernercd 5y ago
  You can afford what you can afford. If that means you can't afford a 2 bedroom house? Then you can't. Maybe you should downsize, learn a new skill and do more to become more than worth minimum wage. There's also 100 years of research on how to pick up skills that aren't minimum skill and minimum wage. Problems can be address... but so can skewed ideas of what you deserve and what reality shows you're going to get. I grew up poor. I started with low-pay, low-skill jobs. I lived on couches and didn't have "2 bedroom apartments" because even before I got my college education I understood that not everyone can afford to live like that. Know what I did? That college degree I mentioned... I got a skill in demand and became more than a burger flipper and dish washer. The disconnect between our opinions is the expectation that you deserve a good life in a minimum wage job. People have been lied too that life is fair and that they deserve a minimum standard of life. I grew up with the expectation that I got what I earned and if I earned minimum wage? I got a lot less than a nice apartment.
  - whataremyvalues 5y ago
    The current status quo you are perpetuating can be described as crabs in a bucket. It may serve you well to learn about the values you are prioritizing. www.wamv.life is a tool that helps with self-awareness by measuring values, moods, and value utilization.
  - craftinator 5y ago
    > Know what I did? That college degree I mentioned... I got a skill in demand and became more than a burger flipper and dish washer. You got lucky. Like really, statistically, you were incredibly lucky. Good genetics, lack of disabilities dire enough to stop you from working, no medical emergencies serious enough to put you in permanent debt, and obviously received some decently schooling on the government's dime as a child if you just "got a skill in demand" and a "college degree". Yes, the hard work helped to captalize on all of the good luck you had, but it didn't create the circumstances that allowed you to succeed. So if your argument is "why should these people who are less fortunate than me be allowed to live decently?", the response should be "you should be that person living in squalor, but you lucked out".
    - wernercd 5y ago
      > lucky. Incredibly lucky. Yes... I was born in America. Then I stopped relying on being lucky and took my poor ass (I grew up with a single parent and little to nothing) and worked my ass off to better myself (using the opportunities afforded in the wonderful country I was lucky enough to be born in). > why should those less fortunate be allowed to live decently The problem is definition of "decent". Poor people in America make 10x more than the AVERAGE global salary and have opportunities that people around the world envy. "I can't afford a good apartment" in other countries is "I can't eat and my kids are dying". You say I'm lucky... I say you're entitled. Funny thing is we're both correct and that still doesn't make "affordable housing" something that's realistically possible for 100% of people in 100% of the US much less the world.
      - craftinator 5y ago
        > Then I stopped relying on being lucky Oh no, you still rely on being lucky. Especially if you went from being very poor to having a college degree, so many things completely outside of your control must have gone in your favor for that to happen. That is the definition of luck. > You say I'm lucky... I say you're entitled. Since you know nothing about me, I'm assuming you are lashing out here because I touched on a sensitive area for you. Maybe rocked your sense of being solely responsible for all of the good things that you've been fortunate to have? > Funny thing is we're both correct No. I really don't have any sense of entitlement. You, however, are incredibly lucky, you've really been in the top 1% for statistics on poverty. Remember to pay it forward.

Or you could rephrase it as "made up numbers reinforce the made up fact that minimum wage workers can't afford to live anywhere in the us despite all facts to the contrary"... ... if it helps...

kristopolous 5y ago

The keyword is "afford". Can it be paid for with enough money for other things in life? There's over 100 years of scholarship and research on this if you're interested. You can get college degrees, have careers in these related fields. American culture in general does not value and it's dismissive of it and that's probably why America's livibility metrics are so out of line with everyone else. (See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_livable_cities https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_livable_cities) Or why the life expectancy is lower, suicide is about the same rate as sub-saharan Africa, and polls of satisfaction and happiness perform worse, etc. Such problems can be addressed

wernercd 5y ago
You can afford what you can afford. If that means you can't afford a 2 bedroom house? Then you can't. Maybe you should downsize, learn a new skill and do more to become more than worth minimum wage. There's also 100 years of research on how to pick up skills that aren't minimum skill and minimum wage. Problems can be address... but so can skewed ideas of what you deserve and what reality shows you're going to get. I grew up poor. I started with low-pay, low-skill jobs. I lived on couches and didn't have "2 bedroom apartments" because even before I got my college education I understood that not everyone can afford to live like that. Know what I did? That college degree I mentioned... I got a skill in demand and became more than a burger flipper and dish washer. The disconnect between our opinions is the expectation that you deserve a good life in a minimum wage job. People have been lied too that life is fair and that they deserve a minimum standard of life. I grew up with the expectation that I got what I earned and if I earned minimum wage? I got a lot less than a nice apartment.
- whataremyvalues 5y ago
  The current status quo you are perpetuating can be described as crabs in a bucket. It may serve you well to learn about the values you are prioritizing. www.wamv.life is a tool that helps with self-awareness by measuring values, moods, and value utilization.
- craftinator 5y ago
  > Know what I did? That college degree I mentioned... I got a skill in demand and became more than a burger flipper and dish washer. You got lucky. Like really, statistically, you were incredibly lucky. Good genetics, lack of disabilities dire enough to stop you from working, no medical emergencies serious enough to put you in permanent debt, and obviously received some decently schooling on the government's dime as a child if you just "got a skill in demand" and a "college degree". Yes, the hard work helped to captalize on all of the good luck you had, but it didn't create the circumstances that allowed you to succeed. So if your argument is "why should these people who are less fortunate than me be allowed to live decently?", the response should be "you should be that person living in squalor, but you lucked out".
  - wernercd 5y ago
    > lucky. Incredibly lucky. Yes... I was born in America. Then I stopped relying on being lucky and took my poor ass (I grew up with a single parent and little to nothing) and worked my ass off to better myself (using the opportunities afforded in the wonderful country I was lucky enough to be born in). > why should those less fortunate be allowed to live decently The problem is definition of "decent". Poor people in America make 10x more than the AVERAGE global salary and have opportunities that people around the world envy. "I can't afford a good apartment" in other countries is "I can't eat and my kids are dying". You say I'm lucky... I say you're entitled. Funny thing is we're both correct and that still doesn't make "affordable housing" something that's realistically possible for 100% of people in 100% of the US much less the world.
    - craftinator 5y ago
      > Then I stopped relying on being lucky Oh no, you still rely on being lucky. Especially if you went from being very poor to having a college degree, so many things completely outside of your control must have gone in your favor for that to happen. That is the definition of luck. > You say I'm lucky... I say you're entitled. Since you know nothing about me, I'm assuming you are lashing out here because I touched on a sensitive area for you. Maybe rocked your sense of being solely responsible for all of the good things that you've been fortunate to have? > Funny thing is we're both correct No. I really don't have any sense of entitlement. You, however, are incredibly lucky, you've really been in the top 1% for statistics on poverty. Remember to pay it forward.