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Is disinformation and right-wing propaganda their problem? I run in really deep left circles and I can tell you my Facebook page is full of disinformation and l

Is disinformation and right-wing propaganda their problem? I run in really deep left circles and I can tell you my Facebook page is full of disinformation and left-wing propaganda. It's horrifying to see what people on both sides believe but it doesn't strike me as a Facebook problem as much as a human problem. I don't see people complaining about Twitter, mostly because they agree with the propaganda that's being spread there.

blooalien 5y ago
Gotta agree with you wholeheartedly on your "horrifying" assessment of the situation. Extremists at the furthest ends of almost any spectrum you can name (especially political spectrums) seem to settle on the absolute worst ideas humanity is capable of coming up with.
- fleddr 5y ago
  The political spectrum should therefore be drawn as a circle, not a line. Far right and far left have quite a lot more in common than one might think, at least in tactics. A solid political movement, whether left or right, cleanses populism from their own. But in the US, they won't, as there's only one side, and every body counts.
res0nat0r 5y ago
Every month consistently the top shared links on Facebook are from right wing pundits trying to stir up rage, unfortunately the rightwing echo chamber is much much more of a thing and dominates Facebook. https://twitter.com/FacebooksTop10 https://twitter.com/FacebooksTop10
- rednerrus 5y ago
  Do you not think that left wing pundits are trying to stir up rage? Did you not watch as they justified burning cities to the ground this summer? The leftwing echo chamber dominates Twitter, Reddit, HN, etc. FB and Youtube are kind of the last bastions of the right currently.
  - mattzito 5y ago
    Are there cities that are burned to the ground? I live in one of the major BLM protest cities and nothing is smoldering wreckage.
    - rednerrus 5y ago
      https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-st-paul-buildings-are-damaged-looted-after-george-floyd-protests-riots/569930671/ https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-st-paul-buildings-ar... Is this an acceptable level of damage?
      - res0nat0r 5y ago
        No, the two are not comparable. This is a standard "both sides argument", but it is false. There is data also to back this up. Here's an entire book on the subject: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0190923636/ https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0190923636/ pp 352: > The right-wing media ecosystem in particular circulates an overwhelming amount of domestic disinformation and propaganda, and its practices create the greatest vulnerabilities to both foreign propaganda and nihilistic commercial exploitation by clickbait factories. pp 354: > The right wing of the American media ecosystem has been a breeding ground for conspiracy theory and disinformation, aand a significant point of vulnerability in our capacity, as a country and a democracy, to resist disinformation and propaganda. These are a couple of random quotes I bookmarked long ago, but the authors show and back up with data that disinformation and propaganda online is overwhelmingly right-wing.
        rednerrus 5y ago
        Is the no in “no, the two are not comparable” no, the destruction is not acceptable or no, there is no propaganda and fomenting of violence from the left?
        res0nat0r 5y ago
        Folks pretending to be outraged that their (not even local since they don't live in said cities) billion dollar corporate Chili's burned to the ground is really the fakest kind of false equivalence. The answer is no, it is a tired and boring talking point.

blooalien 5y ago

Gotta agree with you wholeheartedly on your "horrifying" assessment of the situation. Extremists at the furthest ends of almost any spectrum you can name (especially political spectrums) seem to settle on the absolute worst ideas humanity is capable of coming up with.

fleddr 5y ago
The political spectrum should therefore be drawn as a circle, not a line. Far right and far left have quite a lot more in common than one might think, at least in tactics. A solid political movement, whether left or right, cleanses populism from their own. But in the US, they won't, as there's only one side, and every body counts.

res0nat0r 5y ago

Every month consistently the top shared links on Facebook are from right wing pundits trying to stir up rage, unfortunately the rightwing echo chamber is much much more of a thing and dominates Facebook. https://twitter.com/FacebooksTop10 https://twitter.com/FacebooksTop10

rednerrus 5y ago
Do you not think that left wing pundits are trying to stir up rage? Did you not watch as they justified burning cities to the ground this summer? The leftwing echo chamber dominates Twitter, Reddit, HN, etc. FB and Youtube are kind of the last bastions of the right currently.
- mattzito 5y ago
  Are there cities that are burned to the ground? I live in one of the major BLM protest cities and nothing is smoldering wreckage.
  - rednerrus 5y ago
    https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-st-paul-buildings-are-damaged-looted-after-george-floyd-protests-riots/569930671/ https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-st-paul-buildings-ar... Is this an acceptable level of damage?
    - res0nat0r 5y ago
      No, the two are not comparable. This is a standard "both sides argument", but it is false. There is data also to back this up. Here's an entire book on the subject: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0190923636/ https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0190923636/ pp 352: > The right-wing media ecosystem in particular circulates an overwhelming amount of domestic disinformation and propaganda, and its practices create the greatest vulnerabilities to both foreign propaganda and nihilistic commercial exploitation by clickbait factories. pp 354: > The right wing of the American media ecosystem has been a breeding ground for conspiracy theory and disinformation, aand a significant point of vulnerability in our capacity, as a country and a democracy, to resist disinformation and propaganda. These are a couple of random quotes I bookmarked long ago, but the authors show and back up with data that disinformation and propaganda online is overwhelmingly right-wing.
      - rednerrus 5y ago
        Is the no in “no, the two are not comparable” no, the destruction is not acceptable or no, there is no propaganda and fomenting of violence from the left?
        res0nat0r 5y ago
        Folks pretending to be outraged that their (not even local since they don't live in said cities) billion dollar corporate Chili's burned to the ground is really the fakest kind of false equivalence. The answer is no, it is a tired and boring talking point.