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Consumers objecting to content is as old as television, and even older, and is certainly not owned by "hyperliberals." For example, Conservatives demanded radi

by SamBam 5y ago

Consumers objecting to content is as old as television, and even older, and is certainly not owned by "hyperliberals." For example, Conservatives demanded radio stations stop playing the Beatles, and, only slightly more recently, the Dixie Chicks. They called up advertisers as well. You could probably find people complaining to artists' patrons in Medieval texts, if you looked.

syshum 5y ago
Nice what-aboutism... Yes Conservatives used to be just as bad, I was out there in the 90's complaining about authoritarian conservatives. We libertarians did not mind our flank and Authoritarian liberals today are about 10000000x more of an issue than even the most extreme bible thumping conservative from the 90's ever was
- cratermoon 5y ago
  > used to be just as bad https://truthout.org/articles/right-wingers-are-taking-over-library-boards-to-remove-books-on-racism/ https://truthout.org/articles/right-wingers-are-taking-over-...
  - syshum 5y ago
    Do you have a non-biased source that provides actual facts not hyperbolic rhetoric? Are these tax payer funded libraries, and could it be the fund reduction is simply a result of the fact that many, including myself, believe that libraries should not be funded by forcible taxation of the population. This position is often turned by left sources as "raaaaccciiism"
- SamBam 5y ago
  I was thinking historical examples would be an interesting context in part because I didn't think anyone needed reminding of all the times in recent days and weeks that conservatives have tried to boycott or cancel things, but others have provided some examples of that if you're interested. And "what-aboutism" was exactly the point, I was specifically pointing out that boycotting based on morals isn't in any way only the domain of "hyperliberals."
spfzero 5y ago
If you look at people on an axis other than liberal/conservative, you find that the people that object are the same people regardless of their politics. They're the people that can't stand the idea of other people seeing reading/hearing/seeing things, that they themselves wouldn't want to. It's the people that are hurt and scared when they see behavior that is actually harmless to them, but maybe spotlights a difference they don't want to be aware of. Saying that liberals or conservatives have this to a greater or worse extent is looking at it through the wrong lens.
- hospadar 5y ago
  Amen! Turns out people are complicated and brains/thoughts/ideas don't exist on a single purple spectrum from red to blue.
heavyset_go 5y ago
> only slightly more recently, the Dixie Chicks. They called up advertisers as well. If you want recent examples, look at WAP, its Super Bowl and Grammy's performances, Lil Nas X, or the NFL and Colin Kaepernick. There's also the witch hunt and boycott on teachers, companies and anyone else they believe are part of a nationwide critical race theory conspiracy.
- thr0wawayaway 5y ago
  Anyone claiming that critical race theory is a "conspiracy" is either massively misinformed, or being actively deceptive in order to push that very ideology. The National Education Association, a union with about 2.3 million members, has not only affirmed the existence of it, but is actively pushing for its inclusion in schools[1][2]: "Share and publicize, through existing channels, information already available on critical race theory (CRT)" "Provide an already-created, in-depth, study that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society, and that we oppose attempts to ban critical race theory and/or The 1619 Project." "Commit President Becky Pringle to make public statements across all lines of media that support racial honesty in education including but not limited to critical race theory. This isn't limited to universities, either - it's being taught in K-12 schools[3]: "Responding to prompts such as “In the last year, I have learned _____ about race and racism,” and “One way I will work for racial equity in my work,” teachers say: “American society makes it hard to have high hopes.” Racism infests the nation’s “entire fabric.” Everyone must “lean into the discomfort.” “Older millennials are disappointingly racist.” “Aspects of the anti racist movement have been co-opted by neoliberal corporations, and reactionarily [sic] opposed by many even mainstream conservative thinkers.” Racism is “layered into everything we do at school.” We must “share the harsh reality of the BIPOC and LBGTQI communities with our students.” “Discuss issues of equity as arising in most every book I teach.” Oh, and the statement by the NEA was removed from its website shortly after[4] (https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/ https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/ now redirects to the homepage), which is only further evidence for the fact that many of those pushing this ideology are simultaneously attempting to gaslight and actively lie to their opponents in an attempt to convince the public that it doesn't exist. I'm not sure why you used the phrase "witch hunt" when the ideology clearly exists and is actively being pushed in education around the United States. Perhaps you meant to use the phrase "accountability culture"? [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20210702133611/https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210702133611/https://ra.nea.or... [2] https://nypost.com/2021/07/04/teachers-union-vows-to-fight-back-against-critical-race-theory-critics/ https://nypost.com/2021/07/04/teachers-union-vows-to-fight-b... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/teacher-pushes-back-against-k-12-critical-race-theory-indoctrination/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/teacher-p... [4] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/national-education-association-takes-down-pages-crt-anti-racism-mandatory-vaccine-assembly-proposals https://www.foxnews.com/politics/national-education-associat...

by SamBam 5y ago

syshum 5y ago

Nice what-aboutism... Yes Conservatives used to be just as bad, I was out there in the 90's complaining about authoritarian conservatives. We libertarians did not mind our flank and Authoritarian liberals today are about 10000000x more of an issue than even the most extreme bible thumping conservative from the 90's ever was

cratermoon 5y ago
> used to be just as bad https://truthout.org/articles/right-wingers-are-taking-over-library-boards-to-remove-books-on-racism/ https://truthout.org/articles/right-wingers-are-taking-over-...
- syshum 5y ago
  Do you have a non-biased source that provides actual facts not hyperbolic rhetoric? Are these tax payer funded libraries, and could it be the fund reduction is simply a result of the fact that many, including myself, believe that libraries should not be funded by forcible taxation of the population. This position is often turned by left sources as "raaaaccciiism"
SamBam 5y ago
I was thinking historical examples would be an interesting context in part because I didn't think anyone needed reminding of all the times in recent days and weeks that conservatives have tried to boycott or cancel things, but others have provided some examples of that if you're interested. And "what-aboutism" was exactly the point, I was specifically pointing out that boycotting based on morals isn't in any way only the domain of "hyperliberals."

spfzero 5y ago

If you look at people on an axis other than liberal/conservative, you find that the people that object are the same people regardless of their politics. They're the people that can't stand the idea of other people seeing reading/hearing/seeing things, that they themselves wouldn't want to. It's the people that are hurt and scared when they see behavior that is actually harmless to them, but maybe spotlights a difference they don't want to be aware of. Saying that liberals or conservatives have this to a greater or worse extent is looking at it through the wrong lens.

hospadar 5y ago
Amen! Turns out people are complicated and brains/thoughts/ideas don't exist on a single purple spectrum from red to blue.

heavyset_go 5y ago

> only slightly more recently, the Dixie Chicks. They called up advertisers as well. If you want recent examples, look at WAP, its Super Bowl and Grammy's performances, Lil Nas X, or the NFL and Colin Kaepernick. There's also the witch hunt and boycott on teachers, companies and anyone else they believe are part of a nationwide critical race theory conspiracy.

thr0wawayaway 5y ago
Anyone claiming that critical race theory is a "conspiracy" is either massively misinformed, or being actively deceptive in order to push that very ideology. The National Education Association, a union with about 2.3 million members, has not only affirmed the existence of it, but is actively pushing for its inclusion in schools[1][2]: "Share and publicize, through existing channels, information already available on critical race theory (CRT)" "Provide an already-created, in-depth, study that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society, and that we oppose attempts to ban critical race theory and/or The 1619 Project." "Commit President Becky Pringle to make public statements across all lines of media that support racial honesty in education including but not limited to critical race theory. This isn't limited to universities, either - it's being taught in K-12 schools[3]: "Responding to prompts such as “In the last year, I have learned _____ about race and racism,” and “One way I will work for racial equity in my work,” teachers say: “American society makes it hard to have high hopes.” Racism infests the nation’s “entire fabric.” Everyone must “lean into the discomfort.” “Older millennials are disappointingly racist.” “Aspects of the anti racist movement have been co-opted by neoliberal corporations, and reactionarily [sic] opposed by many even mainstream conservative thinkers.” Racism is “layered into everything we do at school.” We must “share the harsh reality of the BIPOC and LBGTQI communities with our students.” “Discuss issues of equity as arising in most every book I teach.” Oh, and the statement by the NEA was removed from its website shortly after[4] (https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/ https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/ now redirects to the homepage), which is only further evidence for the fact that many of those pushing this ideology are simultaneously attempting to gaslight and actively lie to their opponents in an attempt to convince the public that it doesn't exist. I'm not sure why you used the phrase "witch hunt" when the ideology clearly exists and is actively being pushed in education around the United States. Perhaps you meant to use the phrase "accountability culture"? [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20210702133611/https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210702133611/https://ra.nea.or... [2] https://nypost.com/2021/07/04/teachers-union-vows-to-fight-back-against-critical-race-theory-critics/ https://nypost.com/2021/07/04/teachers-union-vows-to-fight-b... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/teacher-pushes-back-against-k-12-critical-race-theory-indoctrination/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/teacher-p... [4] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/national-education-association-takes-down-pages-crt-anti-racism-mandatory-vaccine-assembly-proposals https://www.foxnews.com/politics/national-education-associat...