I pretend nothing of the sort. I was asking what was your point of reference for recovering alcoholic. I have a good one, being one and having done the whole A

I pretend nothing of the sort. I was asking what was your point of reference for recovering alcoholic. I have a good one, being one and having done the whole AA and other methods. This AA opinion states several arguments for and against. And talks about competitive drinking? That's your point of reference? Substitutes can help in the social aspect of being a non drinker, and also maybe you can have NA beer without relapsing. I'll take my recovery advice from a doctor or a sponsor, not someone who's found an article on the net. My points stand. You clearly don't know enough about European beers I'll drop this thread. Just try and drink some brewdog punk af or some brooklyn af or some of the delicious Polish AF IPAs I've had. You may want to open your mind to what exists or, please, show your work and cite the ones that you tried and were so bad you can't call them 'beers'.