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In overwhelmingly most of the cases where someone has been 'cancelled', their career has not noticeably suffered even one bit. Just look at Mel Gibson, dude has

In overwhelmingly most of the cases where someone has been 'cancelled', their career has not noticeably suffered even one bit. Just look at Mel Gibson, dude has been unapologetically spouting wild shit at every possible marginalized group for decades and he's still got a bustling career as both actor and director. If anything, this is the biggest argument of all against the existence of 'cancel culture', cause so far I can't find even one example of someone who's truly been cancelled, and furthermore, for something completely innocent and meaningless. If people were actually being sent to gulags for saying something the government or general public simply didn't like, you cancel culture warriors would have a point. But... that's not the case, and that's not where this is going. Believing as much is an extremely tenuous slippery slope argument and just delusional levels of fearmongering. There is absolutely nothing new going on, except the fact that more people these days are intolerant of bigotry and other vile behavior, and are better able to voice their concerns via the internet.

BitwiseFool 5y ago
>"In overwhelmingly most of the cases where someone has been 'cancelled', their career has not noticeably suffered even one bit." I know we aren't going to ever agree, but this beyond hyperbolic. To even say that most canceled people's careers have not suffered one bit is just astounding. People get fired over tweets that aren't even that controversial. Mel Gibson got off the hook, whatever. But Average Joe's and Average Jane's also fall victim to 'cancel culture' too. "Shor tweeted out an academic study by Princeton political scientist Omar Wasow that demonstrates how during the 1960s, while honest-to-God riots resulted in a decrease in the vote share for Democratic candidates in the following election, non-violent protests actually increased it. An uproar ensued, with liberal critics alleging that Shor was indifferent or even hostile to today’s racial justice protests. Two weeks later, he was out of his job at Civis Analytics, the left-aligned data science firm where he worked as an analyst" (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/06/05/cancel-culture-politics-analysis-491928 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/06/05/cancel-cul...) This person was fired, for tweeting out a study, and nothing they did was egregious.
- Niglodonicus 5y ago
  Company (likely using at-will employment) fires employee after he (intentionally or inadvertently, irrelevant) starts a massive PR scandal. Wow, this must be that cancel culture everyone's been talking about, better get your pitchforks! These cultural marxists are getting out of control!
  - BitwiseFool 5y ago
    >"Wow, this must be that cancel culture everyone's been talking about, better get your pitchforks! These cultural marxists are getting out of control!" I don't think we're going to have a mature and productive discussion about this. But you can be worried about online outrage and it's impact on society regardless of political affiliation.
    - Niglodonicus 5y ago
      Except the only people worried about it are conservatives who are being manipulated by all the usual right-wing fearmongerers. Please go read some neutral articles about the realities of 'cancel culture' instead of just swallowing Tucker Carlson's take on it.
      - BitwiseFool 5y ago
        I have never once watched Tucker Carlson's show in my life. Nor do I watch Fox News. Why must you assume everyone who does not agree with you is right wing?
        Niglodonicus 5y ago
        Sorry for assuming someone who fearmongers and parrots right-wing talking points to be right-wing. Ye olde 'enlightened centrist both sides are bad' position is problematic due to false equivalence- by saying both sides are equally bad and misguided, in actuality you align yourself closer toward the side that is objectively worse (and if I have to explain to you which is objectively worse and why, well then I'm not sure there really is any point at all to continuing this conversation).

BitwiseFool 5y ago

>"In overwhelmingly most of the cases where someone has been 'cancelled', their career has not noticeably suffered even one bit." I know we aren't going to ever agree, but this beyond hyperbolic. To even say that most canceled people's careers have not suffered one bit is just astounding. People get fired over tweets that aren't even that controversial. Mel Gibson got off the hook, whatever. But Average Joe's and Average Jane's also fall victim to 'cancel culture' too. "Shor tweeted out an academic study by Princeton political scientist Omar Wasow that demonstrates how during the 1960s, while honest-to-God riots resulted in a decrease in the vote share for Democratic candidates in the following election, non-violent protests actually increased it. An uproar ensued, with liberal critics alleging that Shor was indifferent or even hostile to today’s racial justice protests. Two weeks later, he was out of his job at Civis Analytics, the left-aligned data science firm where he worked as an analyst" (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/06/05/cancel-culture-politics-analysis-491928 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/06/05/cancel-cul...) This person was fired, for tweeting out a study, and nothing they did was egregious.

Niglodonicus 5y ago
Company (likely using at-will employment) fires employee after he (intentionally or inadvertently, irrelevant) starts a massive PR scandal. Wow, this must be that cancel culture everyone's been talking about, better get your pitchforks! These cultural marxists are getting out of control!
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  >"Wow, this must be that cancel culture everyone's been talking about, better get your pitchforks! These cultural marxists are getting out of control!" I don't think we're going to have a mature and productive discussion about this. But you can be worried about online outrage and it's impact on society regardless of political affiliation.
  - Niglodonicus 5y ago
    Except the only people worried about it are conservatives who are being manipulated by all the usual right-wing fearmongerers. Please go read some neutral articles about the realities of 'cancel culture' instead of just swallowing Tucker Carlson's take on it.
    - BitwiseFool 5y ago
      I have never once watched Tucker Carlson's show in my life. Nor do I watch Fox News. Why must you assume everyone who does not agree with you is right wing?
      - Niglodonicus 5y ago
        Sorry for assuming someone who fearmongers and parrots right-wing talking points to be right-wing. Ye olde 'enlightened centrist both sides are bad' position is problematic due to false equivalence- by saying both sides are equally bad and misguided, in actuality you align yourself closer toward the side that is objectively worse (and if I have to explain to you which is objectively worse and why, well then I'm not sure there really is any point at all to continuing this conversation).