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Platforms that claim to be open content systems (i.e it is not topic limited like say a Mac Forum) should only remove content that is illegal in nature, i.e Se

by syshum 5y ago

Platforms that claim to be open content systems (i.e it is not topic limited like say a Mac Forum) should only remove content that is illegal in nature, i.e Sexual Exploitation of minors, True Threats, etc. > popular anti-vax since Anti-Vax has now been refined to include anyone that opposes government mandated vaccinations, I am a Vaxxed Anti-Vaxer as I oppose all government mandates. People should be free to choose on their own if they want a vaccine or any other medical treatment. So should a video of me expressing this position be removed under an "anti-vaxx" policy?

namlem 5y ago
You would never want to use a big platform that had no moderation, the quality would be shit. For a small, niche platform, it's fine, but as platforms grow they get filled with 13 year-olds posting garbage, which someone has to clean up to avoid driving away other users.
- syshum 5y ago
  I do not want to, nor do I use any of the big platforms now... I have no twitter account, no facebook account, no insta account, no tiktok account, etc... I have locals.com account, reddit accounts (which is diminishing amount of my usage as they continue to "mainstream" aka censor the site) , and HN, that is pretty much it for me
  - namlem 5y ago
    The quality decline from mainstreaming isn't due to censorship, it's due to the increased presence of normies and children. Meanwhile the heavy-handed censorship of subreddits like AskHistorians has resulted in the preservation of high quality standards.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
  I don’t agree that decent conversation can only exist with heavy moderation. If you haven’t seen the issue with echo chambers by now… you’re in one.
  - kaba0 5y ago
    Become a mod on a reasonably sized forum and see for yourself.
- cratermoon 5y ago
  See, for example, the Eternal September
eli 5y ago
You are of course free to create a platform that only removes illegal content, just as Twitter or YouTube is free to to remove content they don't like. But I think you'd find two problems: determining what could be illegal is really hard (what's a "true threat" and what's a tasteless joke?), and also you'd end up with a community that looks a lot like 4chan or parler. Not a place I would choose to hang out.
- syshum 5y ago
  I think we have proven time and time again that you can not actually create your own platform, if you try then come after your hosting providers, your network provider, your advertisers, your payment processors, and if that fails they find your family to go after their employers, etc etc etc So the "just create your own platform" trope has be tried and failed.
- akira2501 5y ago
  > Not a place I would choose to hang out. While that may be true.. do you not believe that the exceptional openness of either of those two platforms has an impact on places outside of them? Do you think there's no intangible benefits to you by these places merely existing?
  - eli 5y ago
    What places? Like a hypothetical anti-censorship platform, or are you thinking of something that already exists like 4chan (if that even counts)?
  - rodgerd 5y ago
    > do you not believe that the exceptional openness of either of those two platforms has an impact on places outside of them? Oh, there's definitely an impact. > Do you think there's no intangible benefits to you by these places merely existing? Yeah, the campaigns to harass a game emulator developer to suicide because "40% is a good start" are a fantastic benefit to society, obviously.
  - eropple 5y ago
zuminator 5y ago
> Platforms that claim to be open content systems...should only remove content that is illegal in nature So if I were to continuously upload hours-long videos of digital noise, thousands of them, millions, YouTube ought to be obligated to host these ersatz videos, and not remove them unless they were deemed illegal? In that case, someone could in theory run a successful encrypted cloud backup business off YouTube's servers. Or just use YouTube as a massive versioning backup for their own personal data, confident in the knowledge that the files can never be deleted.

by syshum 5y ago

namlem 5y ago

You would never want to use a big platform that had no moderation, the quality would be shit. For a small, niche platform, it's fine, but as platforms grow they get filled with 13 year-olds posting garbage, which someone has to clean up to avoid driving away other users.

syshum 5y ago
I do not want to, nor do I use any of the big platforms now... I have no twitter account, no facebook account, no insta account, no tiktok account, etc... I have locals.com account, reddit accounts (which is diminishing amount of my usage as they continue to "mainstream" aka censor the site) , and HN, that is pretty much it for me
- namlem 5y ago
  The quality decline from mainstreaming isn't due to censorship, it's due to the increased presence of normies and children. Meanwhile the heavy-handed censorship of subreddits like AskHistorians has resulted in the preservation of high quality standards.
SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
I don’t agree that decent conversation can only exist with heavy moderation. If you haven’t seen the issue with echo chambers by now… you’re in one.
- kaba0 5y ago
  Become a mod on a reasonably sized forum and see for yourself.
cratermoon 5y ago
See, for example, the Eternal September

eli 5y ago

You are of course free to create a platform that only removes illegal content, just as Twitter or YouTube is free to to remove content they don't like. But I think you'd find two problems: determining what could be illegal is really hard (what's a "true threat" and what's a tasteless joke?), and also you'd end up with a community that looks a lot like 4chan or parler. Not a place I would choose to hang out.

syshum 5y ago
I think we have proven time and time again that you can not actually create your own platform, if you try then come after your hosting providers, your network provider, your advertisers, your payment processors, and if that fails they find your family to go after their employers, etc etc etc So the "just create your own platform" trope has be tried and failed.
akira2501 5y ago
> Not a place I would choose to hang out. While that may be true.. do you not believe that the exceptional openness of either of those two platforms has an impact on places outside of them? Do you think there's no intangible benefits to you by these places merely existing?
- eli 5y ago
  What places? Like a hypothetical anti-censorship platform, or are you thinking of something that already exists like 4chan (if that even counts)?
- rodgerd 5y ago
  > do you not believe that the exceptional openness of either of those two platforms has an impact on places outside of them? Oh, there's definitely an impact. > Do you think there's no intangible benefits to you by these places merely existing? Yeah, the campaigns to harass a game emulator developer to suicide because "40% is a good start" are a fantastic benefit to society, obviously.
- eropple 5y ago

zuminator 5y ago

> Platforms that claim to be open content systems...should only remove content that is illegal in nature So if I were to continuously upload hours-long videos of digital noise, thousands of them, millions, YouTube ought to be obligated to host these ersatz videos, and not remove them unless they were deemed illegal? In that case, someone could in theory run a successful encrypted cloud backup business off YouTube's servers. Or just use YouTube as a massive versioning backup for their own personal data, confident in the knowledge that the files can never be deleted.