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And why did "advertisers threatened to boycott" due to pressure from "hyperliberal's" that are prputally offended by everything. They tried to get YT to do it

by syshum 5y ago

And why did "advertisers threatened to boycott" due to pressure from "hyperliberal's" that are prputally offended by everything. They tried to get YT to do it, when YT ignored them they went after the money... It is right from the liberal playbook

namlem 5y ago
The first Adpocalypse preceded that. Rather, it was part of an internal drive to focus on more "family-friendly" content. Iirc, it was actually the presence of Islamic State propaganda on the site that was part of the motivation.
sureglymop 5y ago
The advertisers threatened to boycott because otherwise they would have risked being scrutinized and potentially making less profit. What actually happened isn't that one side of the political spectrum "censored" the other side in some sort of targeted attack.. it's that advertisers and private companies optimized for generating as much profits as possible by (obviously) pondering to the majority of potential customers. Ironically.. such is the nature of capitalism.
SamBam 5y ago
Consumers objecting to content is as old as television, and even older, and is certainly not owned by "hyperliberals." For example, Conservatives demanded radio stations stop playing the Beatles, and, only slightly more recently, the Dixie Chicks. They called up advertisers as well. You could probably find people complaining to artists' patrons in Medieval texts, if you looked.
- syshum 5y ago
  Nice what-aboutism... Yes Conservatives used to be just as bad, I was out there in the 90's complaining about authoritarian conservatives. We libertarians did not mind our flank and Authoritarian liberals today are about 10000000x more of an issue than even the most extreme bible thumping conservative from the 90's ever was
  - cratermoon 5y ago
    > used to be just as bad https://truthout.org/articles/right-wingers-are-taking-over-library-boards-to-remove-books-on-racism/ https://truthout.org/articles/right-wingers-are-taking-over-...
    - syshum 5y ago
      Do you have a non-biased source that provides actual facts not hyperbolic rhetoric? Are these tax payer funded libraries, and could it be the fund reduction is simply a result of the fact that many, including myself, believe that libraries should not be funded by forcible taxation of the population. This position is often turned by left sources as "raaaaccciiism"
  - SamBam 5y ago
    I was thinking historical examples would be an interesting context in part because I didn't think anyone needed reminding of all the times in recent days and weeks that conservatives have tried to boycott or cancel things, but others have provided some examples of that if you're interested. And "what-aboutism" was exactly the point, I was specifically pointing out that boycotting based on morals isn't in any way only the domain of "hyperliberals."
- spfzero 5y ago
  If you look at people on an axis other than liberal/conservative, you find that the people that object are the same people regardless of their politics. They're the people that can't stand the idea of other people seeing reading/hearing/seeing things, that they themselves wouldn't want to. It's the people that are hurt and scared when they see behavior that is actually harmless to them, but maybe spotlights a difference they don't want to be aware of. Saying that liberals or conservatives have this to a greater or worse extent is looking at it through the wrong lens.
  - hospadar 5y ago
    Amen! Turns out people are complicated and brains/thoughts/ideas don't exist on a single purple spectrum from red to blue.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  > only slightly more recently, the Dixie Chicks. They called up advertisers as well. If you want recent examples, look at WAP, its Super Bowl and Grammy's performances, Lil Nas X, or the NFL and Colin Kaepernick. There's also the witch hunt and boycott on teachers, companies and anyone else they believe are part of a nationwide critical race theory conspiracy.
  - thr0wawayaway 5y ago
    Anyone claiming that critical race theory is a "conspiracy" is either massively misinformed, or being actively deceptive in order to push that very ideology. The National Education Association, a union with about 2.3 million members, has not only affirmed the existence of it, but is actively pushing for its inclusion in schools[1][2]: "Share and publicize, through existing channels, information already available on critical race theory (CRT)" "Provide an already-created, in-depth, study that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society, and that we oppose attempts to ban critical race theory and/or The 1619 Project." "Commit President Becky Pringle to make public statements across all lines of media that support racial honesty in education including but not limited to critical race theory. This isn't limited to universities, either - it's being taught in K-12 schools[3]: "Responding to prompts such as “In the last year, I have learned _____ about race and racism,” and “One way I will work for racial equity in my work,” teachers say: “American society makes it hard to have high hopes.” Racism infests the nation’s “entire fabric.” Everyone must “lean into the discomfort.” “Older millennials are disappointingly racist.” “Aspects of the anti racist movement have been co-opted by neoliberal corporations, and reactionarily [sic] opposed by many even mainstream conservative thinkers.” Racism is “layered into everything we do at school.” We must “share the harsh reality of the BIPOC and LBGTQI communities with our students.” “Discuss issues of equity as arising in most every book I teach.” Oh, and the statement by the NEA was removed from its website shortly after[4] (https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/ https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/ now redirects to the homepage), which is only further evidence for the fact that many of those pushing this ideology are simultaneously attempting to gaslight and actively lie to their opponents in an attempt to convince the public that it doesn't exist. I'm not sure why you used the phrase "witch hunt" when the ideology clearly exists and is actively being pushed in education around the United States. Perhaps you meant to use the phrase "accountability culture"? [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20210702133611/https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210702133611/https://ra.nea.or... [2] https://nypost.com/2021/07/04/teachers-union-vows-to-fight-back-against-critical-race-theory-critics/ https://nypost.com/2021/07/04/teachers-union-vows-to-fight-b... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/teacher-pushes-back-against-k-12-critical-race-theory-indoctrination/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/teacher-p... [4] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/national-education-association-takes-down-pages-crt-anti-racism-mandatory-vaccine-assembly-proposals https://www.foxnews.com/politics/national-education-associat...
nemothekid 5y ago
>It is right from the liberal playbook Yep the liberal playbook that was kicked off by an investigation by the progressive news outlet... The Times[1]... which is owned by Hyperliberal Billionaire... Rupert Murdoch. Do you even bother to do a small amount of research into your biases? It blows my mind that people think the world is controlled by a couple of megalomaniacs on Liberal Twitter. [1] https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/youtube-hate-preachers-share-screens-with-household-names-kdmpmkkjk https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/youtube-hate-preachers-sh...
spoonjim 5y ago
Hardly. The opposition was from flag-wearing jingoists upset at Islamic terrorist videos on YouTube.

by syshum 5y ago

namlem 5y ago

The first Adpocalypse preceded that. Rather, it was part of an internal drive to focus on more "family-friendly" content. Iirc, it was actually the presence of Islamic State propaganda on the site that was part of the motivation.

sureglymop 5y ago

The advertisers threatened to boycott because otherwise they would have risked being scrutinized and potentially making less profit. What actually happened isn't that one side of the political spectrum "censored" the other side in some sort of targeted attack.. it's that advertisers and private companies optimized for generating as much profits as possible by (obviously) pondering to the majority of potential customers. Ironically.. such is the nature of capitalism.

SamBam 5y ago

Consumers objecting to content is as old as television, and even older, and is certainly not owned by "hyperliberals." For example, Conservatives demanded radio stations stop playing the Beatles, and, only slightly more recently, the Dixie Chicks. They called up advertisers as well. You could probably find people complaining to artists' patrons in Medieval texts, if you looked.

syshum 5y ago
Nice what-aboutism... Yes Conservatives used to be just as bad, I was out there in the 90's complaining about authoritarian conservatives. We libertarians did not mind our flank and Authoritarian liberals today are about 10000000x more of an issue than even the most extreme bible thumping conservative from the 90's ever was
- cratermoon 5y ago
  > used to be just as bad https://truthout.org/articles/right-wingers-are-taking-over-library-boards-to-remove-books-on-racism/ https://truthout.org/articles/right-wingers-are-taking-over-...
  - syshum 5y ago
    Do you have a non-biased source that provides actual facts not hyperbolic rhetoric? Are these tax payer funded libraries, and could it be the fund reduction is simply a result of the fact that many, including myself, believe that libraries should not be funded by forcible taxation of the population. This position is often turned by left sources as "raaaaccciiism"
- SamBam 5y ago
  I was thinking historical examples would be an interesting context in part because I didn't think anyone needed reminding of all the times in recent days and weeks that conservatives have tried to boycott or cancel things, but others have provided some examples of that if you're interested. And "what-aboutism" was exactly the point, I was specifically pointing out that boycotting based on morals isn't in any way only the domain of "hyperliberals."
spfzero 5y ago
If you look at people on an axis other than liberal/conservative, you find that the people that object are the same people regardless of their politics. They're the people that can't stand the idea of other people seeing reading/hearing/seeing things, that they themselves wouldn't want to. It's the people that are hurt and scared when they see behavior that is actually harmless to them, but maybe spotlights a difference they don't want to be aware of. Saying that liberals or conservatives have this to a greater or worse extent is looking at it through the wrong lens.
- hospadar 5y ago
  Amen! Turns out people are complicated and brains/thoughts/ideas don't exist on a single purple spectrum from red to blue.
heavyset_go 5y ago
> only slightly more recently, the Dixie Chicks. They called up advertisers as well. If you want recent examples, look at WAP, its Super Bowl and Grammy's performances, Lil Nas X, or the NFL and Colin Kaepernick. There's also the witch hunt and boycott on teachers, companies and anyone else they believe are part of a nationwide critical race theory conspiracy.
- thr0wawayaway 5y ago
  Anyone claiming that critical race theory is a "conspiracy" is either massively misinformed, or being actively deceptive in order to push that very ideology. The National Education Association, a union with about 2.3 million members, has not only affirmed the existence of it, but is actively pushing for its inclusion in schools[1][2]: "Share and publicize, through existing channels, information already available on critical race theory (CRT)" "Provide an already-created, in-depth, study that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society, and that we oppose attempts to ban critical race theory and/or The 1619 Project." "Commit President Becky Pringle to make public statements across all lines of media that support racial honesty in education including but not limited to critical race theory. This isn't limited to universities, either - it's being taught in K-12 schools[3]: "Responding to prompts such as “In the last year, I have learned _____ about race and racism,” and “One way I will work for racial equity in my work,” teachers say: “American society makes it hard to have high hopes.” Racism infests the nation’s “entire fabric.” Everyone must “lean into the discomfort.” “Older millennials are disappointingly racist.” “Aspects of the anti racist movement have been co-opted by neoliberal corporations, and reactionarily [sic] opposed by many even mainstream conservative thinkers.” Racism is “layered into everything we do at school.” We must “share the harsh reality of the BIPOC and LBGTQI communities with our students.” “Discuss issues of equity as arising in most every book I teach.” Oh, and the statement by the NEA was removed from its website shortly after[4] (https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/ https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/ now redirects to the homepage), which is only further evidence for the fact that many of those pushing this ideology are simultaneously attempting to gaslight and actively lie to their opponents in an attempt to convince the public that it doesn't exist. I'm not sure why you used the phrase "witch hunt" when the ideology clearly exists and is actively being pushed in education around the United States. Perhaps you meant to use the phrase "accountability culture"? [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20210702133611/https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210702133611/https://ra.nea.or... [2] https://nypost.com/2021/07/04/teachers-union-vows-to-fight-back-against-critical-race-theory-critics/ https://nypost.com/2021/07/04/teachers-union-vows-to-fight-b... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/teacher-pushes-back-against-k-12-critical-race-theory-indoctrination/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/teacher-p... [4] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/national-education-association-takes-down-pages-crt-anti-racism-mandatory-vaccine-assembly-proposals https://www.foxnews.com/politics/national-education-associat...

nemothekid 5y ago

>It is right from the liberal playbook Yep the liberal playbook that was kicked off by an investigation by the progressive news outlet... The Times[1]... which is owned by Hyperliberal Billionaire... Rupert Murdoch. Do you even bother to do a small amount of research into your biases? It blows my mind that people think the world is controlled by a couple of megalomaniacs on Liberal Twitter. [1] https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/youtube-hate-preachers-share-screens-with-household-names-kdmpmkkjk https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/youtube-hate-preachers-sh...

spoonjim 5y ago

Hardly. The opposition was from flag-wearing jingoists upset at Islamic terrorist videos on YouTube.