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I wonder if you would agree to the following equivalent: > State violence is being used to force a christian bakery to bake (gay/muslim/etc) cakes it finds obj
by silicon2401 5y ago
I wonder if you would agree to the following equivalent:
> State violence is being used to force a christian bakery to bake (gay/muslim/etc) cakes it finds objectionable. Who's the villain here?
The more you open service to the public, the more control over your output you lose because then it becomes a matter of discrimination.
- happytoexplain 5y agoWhy are they equivalent?
- vageli 5y agoBoth are instances of the state compelling a private enterprise to act in a way that is against the enterprise's interests.
- hvac 5y agoHaving a certain political opinion is not a protected class in the US
- throwawayswede 5y agoThat's not what this is about. In both cases, the state is forcing an company to do something they don't want. The only difference is that you agree with the one but not the other.
- hvac 5y agoYes, because the difference is that they are essentially immutable personal traits. The parent was presenting this scenario as an equivalent one and I don't think they are.
- silicon2401 5y agoHow is religion any more or less immutable from political beliefs? In my view both are fully equivalent.
- hvac 5y agoIn some cases (e.g. Jews, Amish) the lines between race/religion/national origin become pretty blurry. I agree that it's the most ambiguous of the classes, though.
- username90 5y agoReligion is a protected class to stop zealots from waging wars on each other, got to nip it in the bud before tension builds up. It is a very rational reason even if the protection shouldn't be needed in theory.
- throwawayswede 5y agoPersonal traits are always mutable. What seems (and may be) immutable to you could be mutable to others.
- hvac 5y agoIt's technically true that you could find some way to dye your skin a different colour, but I don't think most people would find that to be a realistic solution to anything.
- xdennis 5y agoIt is in some cases (such as employment) in certain states. Ironically they were often enacted by left wing legislators, but are now being used to defend right wingers.
- charonn0 5y agoYoutube isn't making the videos, though.
- bobthechef 5y agoBut isn't it coercive to force the baker to make something against his ethical and religious beliefs? Relativism doesn't really work, does it. There must be objective standards. Otherwise, power is all that matters.