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The article calls this a "historically high fine". It's also really small compared to the scale of YouTube dollars, i.e. for YouTube to care (about this fine in

The article calls this a "historically high fine". It's also really small compared to the scale of YouTube dollars, i.e. for YouTube to care (about this fine in isolation).

ocdtrekkie 5y ago
So generally what has been happening is there's a fine that's meager by Google's standards, but also a demand for a change in behavior. If compliance isn't met, the government will start fining them daily. I believe the announcement France made yesterday came with a large single fine, a window for compliance, and then a daily fine of nearly a million Euros per day if they don't comply in time. The goal is to incentivize change, not extract financial benefit for the country. So your first penalty isn't huge in itself, but it's designed to make it clear that noncompliance in the long run will be less profitable.
throwawayswede 5y ago
True. It's definitely not enough to send people off their loops. But hopefully it's a step in the right direction. My prediction is that in the next 2 to 3 years more detail will emerge on the massive scam that is lockdowns. I don't expect people to go back and evaluate their behavior towards others who did not believe the media scam (from people being aggressive towards people deciding not to wear mask for example), but I hope that it'll be a step in the reversion of group-think. Edit: People continuously downvote my negative comments about lockdowns. I leave you with this before you downvote: https://twitter.com/janesays22/status/1415354369126457346 https://twitter.com/janesays22/status/1415354369126457346 > I turned 18 in Feb 2020. I lost my friends, my education, the first year of my adult life, my mental health, and 20lbs. > I didn’t make sacrifices. > I was sacrificed. Look up: https://gbdeclaration.org/ https://gbdeclaration.org/ - http://pandata.org/ http://pandata.org/
- ipaddr 5y ago
  Youtube classified this as "misinformation". They have the power to crush any voice and they are. I hope a crisis takes some power away from them.
  - throwawayswede 5y ago
    In a sense, if people don't stop bullshit, no one will stop it for them. The state can't and shouldn't (ideally) stop YouTube from removing what they don't want to host, but people should hold YouTube accountable. If people don't stop using YouTube to make a point to them that their arbitrary decisions are not ok with them, nothing will really stop them. With that being said, I'm always hopeful that people will eventually see that forcefully removing something from the conversation (aka banning it, like banning doctors talking their successful experiences with hydroxychloroquine very early because some kids at youtube believe that a political org like WHO is more credible than actual experienced doctors) won't eliminate it, it'll just make it grow in the shadows, allowing other scammers to make use of the situation. And the cycle continues.
  - kristofferR 5y ago
    Misinformation is a really dangerous concept. Sure, bad information certainly exists, but a lot of things throughout history have been labeled "misinformation" before it became confirmed information.
    - djrogers 5y ago
      > a lot of things throughout history have been labeled "misinformation" before it became confirmed information. Heck, we don't even need to go back too far in history - a lot of COVID-19 information was labeled "misinformation" before being proven correct/possibly true.
      - throwawayswede 5y ago
        Lab theory people were called conspiracy theorists this exact same time last year. Now they're on mainstream fucking tv. And don't you dare mention china or you'd be labelled a trump fan. Now that's cool cuz uncle joe okayed it. If anything, this shows the zombies that the people are. Anything TV says is truth. A stupid short report from an online magazine made some late show host make a short skit about it and boom, like wild fire. I call total bs on that whole thing. This entire COVID response has been political from DAY 1. Western countries response has not only been shameful, but absolutely reprehensibly.
ArnoVW 5y ago
Totally different case, totally different country, but FYI : France this week condemned Google for not reaching an agreement with newspapers. 500M€. They have 2 months to negotiate more earnestly, failing that they will get a further fine of 900k€ / day. Until they reach an agreement.

The article calls this a "historically high fine". It's also really small compared to the scale of YouTube dollars, i.e. for YouTube to care (about this fine in isolation).

ocdtrekkie 5y ago

So generally what has been happening is there's a fine that's meager by Google's standards, but also a demand for a change in behavior. If compliance isn't met, the government will start fining them daily. I believe the announcement France made yesterday came with a large single fine, a window for compliance, and then a daily fine of nearly a million Euros per day if they don't comply in time. The goal is to incentivize change, not extract financial benefit for the country. So your first penalty isn't huge in itself, but it's designed to make it clear that noncompliance in the long run will be less profitable.

throwawayswede 5y ago

True. It's definitely not enough to send people off their loops. But hopefully it's a step in the right direction. My prediction is that in the next 2 to 3 years more detail will emerge on the massive scam that is lockdowns. I don't expect people to go back and evaluate their behavior towards others who did not believe the media scam (from people being aggressive towards people deciding not to wear mask for example), but I hope that it'll be a step in the reversion of group-think. Edit: People continuously downvote my negative comments about lockdowns. I leave you with this before you downvote: https://twitter.com/janesays22/status/1415354369126457346 https://twitter.com/janesays22/status/1415354369126457346 > I turned 18 in Feb 2020. I lost my friends, my education, the first year of my adult life, my mental health, and 20lbs. > I didn’t make sacrifices. > I was sacrificed. Look up: https://gbdeclaration.org/ https://gbdeclaration.org/ - http://pandata.org/ http://pandata.org/

ipaddr 5y ago
Youtube classified this as "misinformation". They have the power to crush any voice and they are. I hope a crisis takes some power away from them.
- throwawayswede 5y ago
  In a sense, if people don't stop bullshit, no one will stop it for them. The state can't and shouldn't (ideally) stop YouTube from removing what they don't want to host, but people should hold YouTube accountable. If people don't stop using YouTube to make a point to them that their arbitrary decisions are not ok with them, nothing will really stop them. With that being said, I'm always hopeful that people will eventually see that forcefully removing something from the conversation (aka banning it, like banning doctors talking their successful experiences with hydroxychloroquine very early because some kids at youtube believe that a political org like WHO is more credible than actual experienced doctors) won't eliminate it, it'll just make it grow in the shadows, allowing other scammers to make use of the situation. And the cycle continues.
- kristofferR 5y ago
  Misinformation is a really dangerous concept. Sure, bad information certainly exists, but a lot of things throughout history have been labeled "misinformation" before it became confirmed information.
  - djrogers 5y ago
    > a lot of things throughout history have been labeled "misinformation" before it became confirmed information. Heck, we don't even need to go back too far in history - a lot of COVID-19 information was labeled "misinformation" before being proven correct/possibly true.
    - throwawayswede 5y ago
      Lab theory people were called conspiracy theorists this exact same time last year. Now they're on mainstream fucking tv. And don't you dare mention china or you'd be labelled a trump fan. Now that's cool cuz uncle joe okayed it. If anything, this shows the zombies that the people are. Anything TV says is truth. A stupid short report from an online magazine made some late show host make a short skit about it and boom, like wild fire. I call total bs on that whole thing. This entire COVID response has been political from DAY 1. Western countries response has not only been shameful, but absolutely reprehensibly.

ArnoVW 5y ago

Totally different case, totally different country, but FYI : France this week condemned Google for not reaching an agreement with newspapers. 500M€. They have 2 months to negotiate more earnestly, failing that they will get a further fine of 900k€ / day. Until they reach an agreement.