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So how many large scale experiments with communism have we had during the last 100 years, and how many of them have ended in success? It's starting to get prett

by jseban 5y ago

So how many large scale experiments with communism have we had during the last 100 years, and how many of them have ended in success? It's starting to get pretty ridiculous to argue against that kind of body of evidence. I have full respect for anyone trying to question and improve our society and economic system, but to just wind back the clock to 1968, pretend like nothing happened and start ranting about communism? Sorry, that's just a bit too much

southerntofu 5y ago
> So how many large scale experiments with communism have we had during the last 100 years To my knowledge, only a handful. Workers self-organization in Catalonia during the Spanish revolution (1936-1937) is one, Community-oriented democracy in Chiapas (since 1994) and Rojava (since 2011) is another. The other examples you think of (unless i'm mistaken) are precisely dictatorships of the proletariat that have nothing to do with communism and never intended to build power for the people. > wind back the clock to 1968, pretend like nothing happened and start ranting about communism? In 1968, the situation in regards to communism was already as it is today. The counter-revolutionary crimes of marxist-leninists and their State capitalism date from 1917, not after 1968. In 1917, the revolution was one aiming for people's liberation until Lenin, Trotsky and their cliques made a coup d'État and murdered everyone who disagreed with them. > Sorry, that's just a bit too much What is? Do you think free food, free housing, free education and free healthcare is too much? Do you think power to the people (not parliaments) is too much? What about libertarian communism (anarchism) disgusts you?
- jseban 5y ago
  > What is? Do you think free food, free housing, free education and free healthcare is too much? Do you think power to the people (not parliaments) is too much? What about libertarian communism (anarchism) disgusts you? Haha, no comment..
  - southerntofu 5y ago
    Because no argmuent?
    - kortilla 5y ago
      Because it’s stupid to respond to someone that assumes the conclusion. There is no such thing as “free food, free healthcare, and free education” until we have robots that literally do all of those things for us without us needing to work. Speaking like communism provides free things without discussing the real cost of that (forced labor, poor quality, etc) is like pitching a religion touting the benefits of heaven. Big shocker when nobody cares to engage in an argument.

by jseban 5y ago

southerntofu 5y ago

> So how many large scale experiments with communism have we had during the last 100 years To my knowledge, only a handful. Workers self-organization in Catalonia during the Spanish revolution (1936-1937) is one, Community-oriented democracy in Chiapas (since 1994) and Rojava (since 2011) is another. The other examples you think of (unless i'm mistaken) are precisely dictatorships of the proletariat that have nothing to do with communism and never intended to build power for the people. > wind back the clock to 1968, pretend like nothing happened and start ranting about communism? In 1968, the situation in regards to communism was already as it is today. The counter-revolutionary crimes of marxist-leninists and their State capitalism date from 1917, not after 1968. In 1917, the revolution was one aiming for people's liberation until Lenin, Trotsky and their cliques made a coup d'État and murdered everyone who disagreed with them. > Sorry, that's just a bit too much What is? Do you think free food, free housing, free education and free healthcare is too much? Do you think power to the people (not parliaments) is too much? What about libertarian communism (anarchism) disgusts you?

jseban 5y ago
> What is? Do you think free food, free housing, free education and free healthcare is too much? Do you think power to the people (not parliaments) is too much? What about libertarian communism (anarchism) disgusts you? Haha, no comment..
- southerntofu 5y ago
  Because no argmuent?
  - kortilla 5y ago
    Because it’s stupid to respond to someone that assumes the conclusion. There is no such thing as “free food, free healthcare, and free education” until we have robots that literally do all of those things for us without us needing to work. Speaking like communism provides free things without discussing the real cost of that (forced labor, poor quality, etc) is like pitching a religion touting the benefits of heaven. Big shocker when nobody cares to engage in an argument.