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20.34 million iPhones in the quarter comes out to about 225,000 iPhones sold per day. Google recently announced 500,000 Android "activations' Android per day.

20.34 million iPhones in the quarter comes out to about 225,000 iPhones sold per day. Google recently announced 500,000 Android "activations' Android per day. So Android still has the market share advantage?

YooLi 15y ago
Does that mean Android 'activations' includes only Android phones?
- Anechoic 15y ago
  Good question, I think it also includes tablets, but I am presuming that the bulk of the numbers represents phones.
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  - Tyrannosaurs 15y ago
    I think the tablet to phone ratio right now is such that it's not that big a deal which it represents. That's not to say Android tablets won't take off, just that in the numbers that have been published until now they're not selling that well and the phones are selling like hot cakes.
    - YooLi 15y ago
      The Nook runs Android. I wonder if it counts towards 'activations'. Last quarter B&N sold ~3M Nooks, which would be ~33k activations per day. Not that huge, but the difference between 465k and 500k activations. The Nook and other tablets and devices might actually end up combining to an appreciable amount (100k/day??).
      - Tyrannosaurs 15y ago
        Interestingly Tim Cook made some comments about the Android activation numbers on the Apple call yesterday: "I think the Android activation number is a difficult one to get our hands around. Because unlike our numbers, which you can kind of go to our data sheet, and add the iPhones and iPads, and make a reasonable approximation of the iPod touch—which we said is over half of our iPod sales—you can quickly see that in June quarter we sold over 33 million iOS devices. And across time… we’re now over 222 million cumulative iOS devices. So we think this is incredible. So our numbers are very straightforward, they’re transparent, and they’re reported quarterly." I'm not quite sure what he's getting at here. It seems he's suggesting that the Android activation numbers are, shall we say, soft, but if he is that's an interesting claim and one which I'm guessing can be checked relatively easily (add up what the major suppliers claim to be shipping - HTC, Samsung, B&N - if you can't get in the ball park then something might be up). (via MacWorld via Daring Fireball: http://www.macworld.com/article/161226/2011/07/cook_speaks.html http://www.macworld.com/article/161226/2011/07/cook_speaks.h...)
        YooLi 15y ago
        "...which I'm guessing can be checked relatively easily (add up what the major suppliers claim to be shipping - HTC, Samsung, B&N - if you can't get in the ball park then something might be up)." I would like to know the numbers too but I think it's not that easy to determine or else someone would have done it by now. It seems the only reference there is to the number of Android devices is when Google mentions it during earnings or @arubin tweets it. No hard numbers exist anywhere.
tjogin 15y ago
Android is an OS, iPhone is a device. I think the fair comparison is iPhone + iPad + iPod Touch vs Android.
ugh 15y ago
Tim Cook just said that they sold about 33 million iOS devices in the last quarter. (20.34 million iPhones, 9.25 million iPads and half of the 7.54 million iPods.) That’s the number you have to compare. That’s about 363,000 iOS devices per day. It’s quite astonishing that Apple is doing so well compared to Android. Apple sells two phone models, two tablet models and one iPod model – compared to dozens of Android devices, some vastly cheaper than any iPhone.
- Anechoic 15y ago
  ugh & tjogin, good points.
Tyrannosaurs 15y ago
Android is growing faster (and from a larger base) but I believe both iOS and Android are growing faster than the market right now. It's RIM, Windows Mobile, Nokia and the others who Android seems to be impacting rather than Apple. Not surprising really. Regardless of what you think about Android vs iOS, you'd be hard pressed to find significant numbers of people who preferred the other platforms to iOS. If Android is going to dominate the world you'd expect it to pick off the weakest competition first. That said I don't think it's going to be a one player market, or even a two player market. I don't see either Android or iOS going anywhere and Windows Phone is looking interesting and getting a lot of good things said and written about it so I think it has it's part to play.
eevilspock 15y ago
Hyundai has a larger market share than Audi. Coors has a larger market share than Guinness. Does that mean they won? Which has bigger share doesn't matter, as long as each grows and has enough critical mass to sustain their ecosystems and developers. There's room for both. Isn't it the Android fans that bring up choice all the time?
gms 15y ago
Depends on how you define 'activations'. The strange wording is a strong hint that it doesn't exactly mean consumer sales.
- YooLi 15y ago
  Agreed. There is purposeful ambiguity going on whenever 'activations' are mentioned.
billmcneale 15y ago
Not just "has": "increases". It was 500,000 a month ago, it's 550,000 today. The iPhone simply can't keep up, it's basic math. Not to take away any credit from Apple, but who seriously thought that the iPhone on Verizon would stop Android's advance despite these numbers?

YooLi 15y ago

Does that mean Android 'activations' includes only Android phones?

Anechoic 15y ago
Good question, I think it also includes tablets, but I am presuming that the bulk of the numbers represents phones.
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- Tyrannosaurs 15y ago
  I think the tablet to phone ratio right now is such that it's not that big a deal which it represents. That's not to say Android tablets won't take off, just that in the numbers that have been published until now they're not selling that well and the phones are selling like hot cakes.
  - YooLi 15y ago
    The Nook runs Android. I wonder if it counts towards 'activations'. Last quarter B&N sold ~3M Nooks, which would be ~33k activations per day. Not that huge, but the difference between 465k and 500k activations. The Nook and other tablets and devices might actually end up combining to an appreciable amount (100k/day??).
    - Tyrannosaurs 15y ago
      Interestingly Tim Cook made some comments about the Android activation numbers on the Apple call yesterday: "I think the Android activation number is a difficult one to get our hands around. Because unlike our numbers, which you can kind of go to our data sheet, and add the iPhones and iPads, and make a reasonable approximation of the iPod touch—which we said is over half of our iPod sales—you can quickly see that in June quarter we sold over 33 million iOS devices. And across time… we’re now over 222 million cumulative iOS devices. So we think this is incredible. So our numbers are very straightforward, they’re transparent, and they’re reported quarterly." I'm not quite sure what he's getting at here. It seems he's suggesting that the Android activation numbers are, shall we say, soft, but if he is that's an interesting claim and one which I'm guessing can be checked relatively easily (add up what the major suppliers claim to be shipping - HTC, Samsung, B&N - if you can't get in the ball park then something might be up). (via MacWorld via Daring Fireball: http://www.macworld.com/article/161226/2011/07/cook_speaks.html http://www.macworld.com/article/161226/2011/07/cook_speaks.h...)
      - YooLi 15y ago
        "...which I'm guessing can be checked relatively easily (add up what the major suppliers claim to be shipping - HTC, Samsung, B&N - if you can't get in the ball park then something might be up)." I would like to know the numbers too but I think it's not that easy to determine or else someone would have done it by now. It seems the only reference there is to the number of Android devices is when Google mentions it during earnings or @arubin tweets it. No hard numbers exist anywhere.

tjogin 15y ago

Android is an OS, iPhone is a device. I think the fair comparison is iPhone + iPad + iPod Touch vs Android.

ugh 15y ago

Tim Cook just said that they sold about 33 million iOS devices in the last quarter. (20.34 million iPhones, 9.25 million iPads and half of the 7.54 million iPods.) That’s the number you have to compare. That’s about 363,000 iOS devices per day. It’s quite astonishing that Apple is doing so well compared to Android. Apple sells two phone models, two tablet models and one iPod model – compared to dozens of Android devices, some vastly cheaper than any iPhone.

Anechoic 15y ago
ugh & tjogin, good points.

Tyrannosaurs 15y ago

Android is growing faster (and from a larger base) but I believe both iOS and Android are growing faster than the market right now. It's RIM, Windows Mobile, Nokia and the others who Android seems to be impacting rather than Apple. Not surprising really. Regardless of what you think about Android vs iOS, you'd be hard pressed to find significant numbers of people who preferred the other platforms to iOS. If Android is going to dominate the world you'd expect it to pick off the weakest competition first. That said I don't think it's going to be a one player market, or even a two player market. I don't see either Android or iOS going anywhere and Windows Phone is looking interesting and getting a lot of good things said and written about it so I think it has it's part to play.

eevilspock 15y ago

Hyundai has a larger market share than Audi. Coors has a larger market share than Guinness. Does that mean they won? Which has bigger share doesn't matter, as long as each grows and has enough critical mass to sustain their ecosystems and developers. There's room for both. Isn't it the Android fans that bring up choice all the time?

gms 15y ago

Depends on how you define 'activations'. The strange wording is a strong hint that it doesn't exactly mean consumer sales.

YooLi 15y ago
Agreed. There is purposeful ambiguity going on whenever 'activations' are mentioned.

billmcneale 15y ago

Not just "has": "increases". It was 500,000 a month ago, it's 550,000 today. The iPhone simply can't keep up, it's basic math. Not to take away any credit from Apple, but who seriously thought that the iPhone on Verizon would stop Android's advance despite these numbers?