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Apple Earnings: A Big Beat as iPad, iPhone Sales Soar - MarketBeat - WSJ

22 points by sahillavingia 15y ago

petercooper 15y ago
Now with $76bn cash/cash-like to hand. It'd be fun to see some big acquisitions but I wouldn't bet on it.. Perhaps a few million into the MacRuby project? ;-)
- ugh 15y ago
  Are acquisitions worth it? Most fail, don’t they? Sure, Apple has more than enough to acquire many small companies but they don’t even have to use their cash for that. It’s pretty much impossible (especially with the revenue and profit Apple is seeing) to chip away those billions with small acquisitions, no matter the number. Apple would have to spend that money on a huge acquisition. Huge. And most of those seem to fail. Also, all the interesting targets I can think of (e.g. carriers) don’t seem like a particularly good match for Apple for various reason (regulatory, politically, competitively).
  - mikeryan 15y ago
    I'd think if Apple were to make an acquisition it would very likely be not a supplementary product (as Google likes to make) but more likely a significant piece of their manufacturing and supply chain. Especially considering their ongoing quarrels with Samsung (who's a major supplier of chipsets). Think about this, what position would Apple be in if they purchased ARM? (after some research it would be more of a buyback)
- Hov 15y ago
  They seem to have got to these numbers without doing any big acquisitions. I think they might throw some more money at AppleTV to be honest.
- baddox 15y ago
  What sorts of acquisitions do you think Apple would benefit from? My first thoughts are acquisitions at the lowest level and the highest level: chip engineering/manufacturing, and app or web service developers or designers. They're probably full up on the latter.
- zandorg 15y ago
  They could buy Disney.
- guelo 15y ago
  There's really nothing they could conceivably do with that much cash. I don't understand why shareholders don't demand some dividends.
  - aashay 15y ago
    There's plenty they could conceivably do with their cash. See here: http://www.quora.com/What-would-make-sense-for-Apple-to-use-its-51-billion-in-cash-for-a-strategic-acquisition/answers/612608 http://www.quora.com/What-would-make-sense-for-Apple-to-use-...
  - ceejayoz 15y ago
    Speaking as a shareholder, I'd rather keep that money on hand. I'll take a huge cushion of R&D/M&A money over dividends.
ojbyrne 15y ago
And the stock is down (ever so slightly) in after-hours trading (as of 4:58 EST).
- YooLi 15y ago
  Not sure if you are trolling, but here is the after-hours price right from NASDAQ, up quite a bit after hours from close: http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/ExtendedTradingTrades.aspx?selected=AAPL&mkttype=after http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/ExtendedTradingTrades.aspx...
  - ojbyrne 15y ago
    If you look at page 311 of that: http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/ExtendedTradingTrades.aspx?&pageno=311&selected=AAPL&mkttype=after http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/ExtendedTradingTrades.aspx... You can see one quote of $376.0167, below the closing price of $ 376.85. I just happened to look at bad data.
cageface 15y ago
I'm surprised that they sold half as many iPads as iPhones. I've read several predictions that the tablet thing would turn out to be a fad but it seems to have legs.
- erikpukinskis 15y ago
  I think (and have thought since the iPad launch) that the tablet market will be bigger than PCs. They will take over roughly 90% of the laptop market (leaving behind the graphic designers and vintage geeks), and also add a whole class of users who don't currently have a computer of any kind, at least doubling the size of the "big screen computer" market. It's a fascinating example of displacement at work. Apple was never going to get the PC world to start buying Mac laptops. So they're just going to displace that entire market with a new product category. Classic strategy from the Innovator's Dilemma playbook.
  - cageface 15y ago
    I still think text entry on tablets is a pretty big problem. I often find myself swapping out my iPad for my laptop when browsing because I wan't to add a comment to a thread somewhere or quickly copy & paste something to email to a friend. I'm 100x faster on a real keyboard. I also much prefer the quick multi-context browsing experience of a real multi-tabbed browser to anything available on the iPad, which for me is increasingly relegated to e-reader status. I may very well turn out to be in the minority though. But as much as I disagree with a lot of Apple's recent business practices I do have to give them credit for having an uncanny knack for placing the right bets on new technology.
  - MaysonL 15y ago
    iPad revenue exceeded Macintosh revenue last quarter, even while Macintosh revenue rose 14% year over year.
  - gamble 15y ago
    Average people have an incredible mental block against switching from PCs to Macs. I'm speculating here, but it seems to me like what market share they've acquired for the Mac in the last decade has come largely at the margins - geeks, artists, students, etc. For the average person, their computer is still a scary, complex, bewildering machine somewhat akin to an automobile that can only be comprehended by experts. They would no sooner switch to a Mac than trade in their Camry for a Lotus. The iPad is a psychic do-over. By creating a new category firmly embedded in consumer electronics rather than computing they can displace the computer mindset as well as the PC as a physical product.

22 points by sahillavingia 15y ago

Now with $76bn cash/cash-like to hand. It'd be fun to see some big acquisitions but I wouldn't bet on it.. Perhaps a few million into the MacRuby project? ;-)

ugh 15y ago
Are acquisitions worth it? Most fail, don’t they? Sure, Apple has more than enough to acquire many small companies but they don’t even have to use their cash for that. It’s pretty much impossible (especially with the revenue and profit Apple is seeing) to chip away those billions with small acquisitions, no matter the number. Apple would have to spend that money on a huge acquisition. Huge. And most of those seem to fail. Also, all the interesting targets I can think of (e.g. carriers) don’t seem like a particularly good match for Apple for various reason (regulatory, politically, competitively).
- mikeryan 15y ago
  I'd think if Apple were to make an acquisition it would very likely be not a supplementary product (as Google likes to make) but more likely a significant piece of their manufacturing and supply chain. Especially considering their ongoing quarrels with Samsung (who's a major supplier of chipsets). Think about this, what position would Apple be in if they purchased ARM? (after some research it would be more of a buyback)
Hov 15y ago
They seem to have got to these numbers without doing any big acquisitions. I think they might throw some more money at AppleTV to be honest.
baddox 15y ago
What sorts of acquisitions do you think Apple would benefit from? My first thoughts are acquisitions at the lowest level and the highest level: chip engineering/manufacturing, and app or web service developers or designers. They're probably full up on the latter.
zandorg 15y ago
They could buy Disney.
guelo 15y ago
There's really nothing they could conceivably do with that much cash. I don't understand why shareholders don't demand some dividends.
- aashay 15y ago
  There's plenty they could conceivably do with their cash. See here: http://www.quora.com/What-would-make-sense-for-Apple-to-use-its-51-billion-in-cash-for-a-strategic-acquisition/answers/612608 http://www.quora.com/What-would-make-sense-for-Apple-to-use-...
- ceejayoz 15y ago
  Speaking as a shareholder, I'd rather keep that money on hand. I'll take a huge cushion of R&D/M&A money over dividends.

ojbyrne 15y ago

And the stock is down (ever so slightly) in after-hours trading (as of 4:58 EST).

YooLi 15y ago
Not sure if you are trolling, but here is the after-hours price right from NASDAQ, up quite a bit after hours from close: http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/ExtendedTradingTrades.aspx?selected=AAPL&mkttype=after http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/ExtendedTradingTrades.aspx...
- ojbyrne 15y ago
  If you look at page 311 of that: http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/ExtendedTradingTrades.aspx?&pageno=311&selected=AAPL&mkttype=after http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/ExtendedTradingTrades.aspx... You can see one quote of $376.0167, below the closing price of $ 376.85. I just happened to look at bad data.

cageface 15y ago

I'm surprised that they sold half as many iPads as iPhones. I've read several predictions that the tablet thing would turn out to be a fad but it seems to have legs.

erikpukinskis 15y ago
I think (and have thought since the iPad launch) that the tablet market will be bigger than PCs. They will take over roughly 90% of the laptop market (leaving behind the graphic designers and vintage geeks), and also add a whole class of users who don't currently have a computer of any kind, at least doubling the size of the "big screen computer" market. It's a fascinating example of displacement at work. Apple was never going to get the PC world to start buying Mac laptops. So they're just going to displace that entire market with a new product category. Classic strategy from the Innovator's Dilemma playbook.
- cageface 15y ago
  I still think text entry on tablets is a pretty big problem. I often find myself swapping out my iPad for my laptop when browsing because I wan't to add a comment to a thread somewhere or quickly copy & paste something to email to a friend. I'm 100x faster on a real keyboard. I also much prefer the quick multi-context browsing experience of a real multi-tabbed browser to anything available on the iPad, which for me is increasingly relegated to e-reader status. I may very well turn out to be in the minority though. But as much as I disagree with a lot of Apple's recent business practices I do have to give them credit for having an uncanny knack for placing the right bets on new technology.
- MaysonL 15y ago
  iPad revenue exceeded Macintosh revenue last quarter, even while Macintosh revenue rose 14% year over year.
- gamble 15y ago
  Average people have an incredible mental block against switching from PCs to Macs. I'm speculating here, but it seems to me like what market share they've acquired for the Mac in the last decade has come largely at the margins - geeks, artists, students, etc. For the average person, their computer is still a scary, complex, bewildering machine somewhat akin to an automobile that can only be comprehended by experts. They would no sooner switch to a Mac than trade in their Camry for a Lotus. The iPad is a psychic do-over. By creating a new category firmly embedded in consumer electronics rather than computing they can displace the computer mindset as well as the PC as a physical product.