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Was Timnit's paper related to reinforcement learning at all? Not sure how you're concluding that the papers have much similarity.

TaylorAlexander 5y ago
See this article [1] on the retracted paper. The article says: "Gebru’s draft paper points out that the sheer resources required to build and sustain such large AI models means they tend to benefit wealthy organizations, while climate change hits marginalized communities hardest. “It is past time for researchers to prioritize energy efficiency and cost to reduce negative environmental impact and inequitable access to resources,” they write." Meanwhile TFA concludes: "We are simply urging researchers to consider smaller-scale environments as a valuable tool in their investigations, and reviewers to avoid dismissing empirical work that focuses on smaller-scale environments. By doing so, in addition to reducing the environmental impact of our experiments, we will get both a clearer picture of the research landscape and reduce the barriers for researchers from diverse and often underresourced communities, which can only help make our community and scientific advances stronger." Looking more closely: Gebru: "It is past time for researchers to prioritize energy efficiency and cost to reduce negative environmental impact and inequitable access to resources" TFA: "We are simply urging researchers to consider smaller-scale environments... and ... to avoid dismissing empirical work that focuses on smaller-scale environments. ... in addition to reducing the environmental impact of our experiments, we will ...reduce the barriers for researchers from diverse and often underresourced communities" So yes the similarity is striking. In fact its remarkable that google fired Gebru for questioning the retraction of the paper only to realize that these factors must be considered and then to publish nearly the same message six months later. Having worked at Google, I think they wanted Gebru to sugar coat the message more. That’s what they’ve done in TFA. But in doing so they’ve also taken away a publishing opportunity from a talented black woman (who they just proved right) and I think that’s a shame. [1] https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/12/04/1013294/google-ai-ethics-research-paper-forced-out-timnit-gebru/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/12/04/1013294/google-a...
- pas 5y ago
  > google fired ____ for questioning .... This is the Google way apparently. They fired Damore too for pointing out that either the diversity effort is an intended sham, or it's so unscientific that it's useless.
- ReadEvalPost 5y ago
  This is not the first Google paper on the question of energy efficiency. The ask was for Gebru to acknowledge existing Google work on the subject in her opinion paper. Her response to this ask is why she was fired, not the contents of the paper.

TaylorAlexander 5y ago

See this article [1] on the retracted paper. The article says: "Gebru’s draft paper points out that the sheer resources required to build and sustain such large AI models means they tend to benefit wealthy organizations, while climate change hits marginalized communities hardest. “It is past time for researchers to prioritize energy efficiency and cost to reduce negative environmental impact and inequitable access to resources,” they write." Meanwhile TFA concludes: "We are simply urging researchers to consider smaller-scale environments as a valuable tool in their investigations, and reviewers to avoid dismissing empirical work that focuses on smaller-scale environments. By doing so, in addition to reducing the environmental impact of our experiments, we will get both a clearer picture of the research landscape and reduce the barriers for researchers from diverse and often underresourced communities, which can only help make our community and scientific advances stronger." Looking more closely: Gebru: "It is past time for researchers to prioritize energy efficiency and cost to reduce negative environmental impact and inequitable access to resources" TFA: "We are simply urging researchers to consider smaller-scale environments... and ... to avoid dismissing empirical work that focuses on smaller-scale environments. ... in addition to reducing the environmental impact of our experiments, we will ...reduce the barriers for researchers from diverse and often underresourced communities" So yes the similarity is striking. In fact its remarkable that google fired Gebru for questioning the retraction of the paper only to realize that these factors must be considered and then to publish nearly the same message six months later. Having worked at Google, I think they wanted Gebru to sugar coat the message more. That’s what they’ve done in TFA. But in doing so they’ve also taken away a publishing opportunity from a talented black woman (who they just proved right) and I think that’s a shame. [1] https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/12/04/1013294/google-ai-ethics-research-paper-forced-out-timnit-gebru/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/12/04/1013294/google-a...

pas 5y ago
> google fired ____ for questioning .... This is the Google way apparently. They fired Damore too for pointing out that either the diversity effort is an intended sham, or it's so unscientific that it's useless.
ReadEvalPost 5y ago
This is not the first Google paper on the question of energy efficiency. The ask was for Gebru to acknowledge existing Google work on the subject in her opinion paper. Her response to this ask is why she was fired, not the contents of the paper.