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Well, good, but you traded one bad apple for another. Apple is in the process of locking down freedom. And while you might not be tracked by Google, your qualit

Well, good, but you traded one bad apple for another. Apple is in the process of locking down freedom. And while you might not be tracked by Google, your quality of life in a closed ecosystem is just as bad in other ways. How many people have to contend with iCloud endlessly begging for money because they took a few photos of their child? Isn't iCloud data backed up on Chinese servers? I'm pretty sure that means you're being spied on. This is not to mention the waste generated by Apple actively fighting the right to repair. So, good, Google needs to go. But so do the tech giants.

mikeiz404 5y ago
> Isn't iCloud data backed up on Chinese servers? I'm pretty sure that means you're being spied on. Are you thinking of Apple’s switch in 2018 to storing icloud data in China for users in China? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud > In February 2018, Apple announced that iCloud users in China would have their data, including encryption data, on servers called “云上贵州” located in the country to comply with local regulations. This raised concerns from human rights activists who claim that it may be used to track dissidents. From some quick reading it looks like apple “has six data centers in the United States, two in Denmark, and three in Asia” as well as use of the major cloud providers. I’m not sure if there are restrictions on where or how data is stored for people not located in China though. I am assuming so.
fastball 5y ago
I don't think I've ever had iCloud "beg me for money". I've had it where iCloud tells me I am about to run out of space and should probably buy more, which seems reasonable. iCloud data is backed up on Chinese servers? Without being E2EE to boot? Do you have a source on this? If consumers seriously want easily repairable devices, it seems like such a phone would compete easily in the free market.
breakfastduck 5y ago
Where on earth are you pulling the 'begging for money' from? I've never seen that happen before. You are ultimately arguing that a business protecting my data, while also using it themselves to sell me their own products, is just as bad in other ways as a company taking my data and using it to manipulate election results, to sell to shady companies and to market the shit out of me.
- mehlmao 5y ago
  iOS now hawks iCloud very aggressively. They tricked my iPad-using grandmother into paying for a storage plan she didn't need.
  - tracedddd 5y ago
    They do indeed. And it’s difficult for people to figure out how to get the number down instead of paying more. Personally, I have iCloud sync entirely turned off, and just manually backup the few things I actually care about.
    - fartcannon 5y ago
      And because Apple pretends your iPhone or iPad aren't real computers, backing things up off them is a huge pain in the ass.
- eybbus 5y ago
  When you get close to the 5gb limit they will hassle the fuck out of you by send you notifications and emails again and again. There is no "Please leave me alone, it is fine!" button/setting regarding that.
zepto 5y ago
> Isn't iCloud data backed up on Chinese servers? Honestly, this sounds like you are lying intentionally to spread misinformation. You are clearly informed and have a strong opinion. I find it hard to believe that you don’t know that only Chinese users data is backed up on Chinese servers. If I’m wrong and you didn’t know this, please accept my apology in advance.

mikeiz404 5y ago

> Isn't iCloud data backed up on Chinese servers? I'm pretty sure that means you're being spied on. Are you thinking of Apple’s switch in 2018 to storing icloud data in China for users in China? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud > In February 2018, Apple announced that iCloud users in China would have their data, including encryption data, on servers called “云上贵州” located in the country to comply with local regulations. This raised concerns from human rights activists who claim that it may be used to track dissidents. From some quick reading it looks like apple “has six data centers in the United States, two in Denmark, and three in Asia” as well as use of the major cloud providers. I’m not sure if there are restrictions on where or how data is stored for people not located in China though. I am assuming so.

fastball 5y ago

I don't think I've ever had iCloud "beg me for money". I've had it where iCloud tells me I am about to run out of space and should probably buy more, which seems reasonable. iCloud data is backed up on Chinese servers? Without being E2EE to boot? Do you have a source on this? If consumers seriously want easily repairable devices, it seems like such a phone would compete easily in the free market.

breakfastduck 5y ago

Where on earth are you pulling the 'begging for money' from? I've never seen that happen before. You are ultimately arguing that a business protecting my data, while also using it themselves to sell me their own products, is just as bad in other ways as a company taking my data and using it to manipulate election results, to sell to shady companies and to market the shit out of me.

mehlmao 5y ago
iOS now hawks iCloud very aggressively. They tricked my iPad-using grandmother into paying for a storage plan she didn't need.
- tracedddd 5y ago
  They do indeed. And it’s difficult for people to figure out how to get the number down instead of paying more. Personally, I have iCloud sync entirely turned off, and just manually backup the few things I actually care about.
  - fartcannon 5y ago
    And because Apple pretends your iPhone or iPad aren't real computers, backing things up off them is a huge pain in the ass.
eybbus 5y ago
When you get close to the 5gb limit they will hassle the fuck out of you by send you notifications and emails again and again. There is no "Please leave me alone, it is fine!" button/setting regarding that.

zepto 5y ago

> Isn't iCloud data backed up on Chinese servers? Honestly, this sounds like you are lying intentionally to spread misinformation. You are clearly informed and have a strong opinion. I find it hard to believe that you don’t know that only Chinese users data is backed up on Chinese servers. If I’m wrong and you didn’t know this, please accept my apology in advance.