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What exactly is being pushed onerously upon these people that’s making them push back? Mask requirements in a pandemic? Taxes? Cancel culture? Seat belt laws? G

What exactly is being pushed onerously upon these people that’s making them push back? Mask requirements in a pandemic? Taxes? Cancel culture? Seat belt laws? Gun buying restrictions? Brown neighbors? I’m not sure I follow.

toomuchtodo 5y ago
> making them push back Narcissistic [1] tendencies when faced with challenges of fragile egos which shakes their self. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder#Signs_and_symptoms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disor...
- space_fountain 5y ago
  edit: I totally misread this. Sorry about that. The rest of the comment just included for context I feel like this comment and the one it's replying to perfectly articulates the real problem. Vaccination has gotten pulled into the web of politically charged topics. Even just a few years ago the anti vac sentiments didn't really have a home, but now we quickly default to litigating literally the culture war. I know you're replying to someone who brought the wider issues into it, but narcissism is definitely not at the root of a desire to have more people vaccinated.
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    > but narcissism is definitely not at the root of a desire to have more people vaccinated. Correct, and I didn't think that's what my comment implied. I argue it's the root cause of why people won't get vaccinated, and why they push back, on taxes, vaccines, cancel culture, seat belt laws, and gun buying restrictions as enumerated by GP. Fragile egos, a grandiose sense of self-importance, believing they are special, and a lack of empathy, high level. There's a reason I linked to the Signs and Symptoms of that wikipedia page.
    - space_fountain 5y ago
      Whoops, sorry about that, I'll edit my comment to note I just was totally misreading you. I feel like narcissism is often a claim leveled against the more identify politics parts of the left and I went from there
      - toomuchtodo 5y ago
        No worries, conveying ideas in this medium can be challenging and fraught with peril.
csa 5y ago
Knowing some of these people and having candid conversations with them, the answers I hear (which I pretty much 100% disagree with) are: Mask requirements in a pandemic? = attack on personal freedom/liberty Taxes? = not a problem… trump took care of that. Cancel culture? = stupid lib tears. Seat belt laws? = attack on personal freedom/liberty… same as helmet laws for motorcyclists. Gun buying restrictions? = attack on personal freedom/liberty Brown neighbors? (actually not a big problem in the south since most neighborhoods are “voluntarily” segregated, but…) = the community will go to hell and property values will decrease.
- Fjolsvith 5y ago
  Those people have totally inconsiderate and unfriendly personal beliefs. America is NOT the place for personal freedom/liberty. And the Boston Tea party was never about taxes.
iNane9000 5y ago
People don’t want the government to say what they can and can’t do to their own bodies. I can see why people want to draw that particular line in the sand. Despite my personal desire that everyone do the moral, patriotic and practical thing and get vaccinated, I also don’t really want big brother super involved into individuals medical decision making. People should have autonomy over their own body, not the state. It doesn’t seem too unreasonable to think that reducing funding or even eliminating specific state managed health programs might be a great way to curtail such government encroachment and incentivize the massive health care system already in place to do its job so the big brother doesn’t have to step in and break everyone’s freedom.
BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago
> What exactly is being pushed onerously upon these people that’s making them push back? Mask requirements in a pandemic? Taxes? Cancel culture? Seat belt laws? Gun buying restrictions? Brown neighbors? I’m not sure I follow.” Something about this post bothers me. It starts off making an attempt to understand the other side but then the tone shifts and non-sequiturs enter. And I think it’s the “I’m not sure I follow”, said like it’s some punchline that seals the deal. Do we want to explore the situation or do we want upvotes for taking cheap shots at a straw man?
- version_five 5y ago
  "I'm not sure I follow" in this context is a kind of low brow rhetorical technique, used to try and make the recipient feel stupid or inferior and drop their argument as a result. I've also seen it used for objection handling by mattress or car salesmen.

toomuchtodo 5y ago

> making them push back Narcissistic [1] tendencies when faced with challenges of fragile egos which shakes their self. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder#Signs_and_symptoms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disor...

space_fountain 5y ago
edit: I totally misread this. Sorry about that. The rest of the comment just included for context I feel like this comment and the one it's replying to perfectly articulates the real problem. Vaccination has gotten pulled into the web of politically charged topics. Even just a few years ago the anti vac sentiments didn't really have a home, but now we quickly default to litigating literally the culture war. I know you're replying to someone who brought the wider issues into it, but narcissism is definitely not at the root of a desire to have more people vaccinated.
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  > but narcissism is definitely not at the root of a desire to have more people vaccinated. Correct, and I didn't think that's what my comment implied. I argue it's the root cause of why people won't get vaccinated, and why they push back, on taxes, vaccines, cancel culture, seat belt laws, and gun buying restrictions as enumerated by GP. Fragile egos, a grandiose sense of self-importance, believing they are special, and a lack of empathy, high level. There's a reason I linked to the Signs and Symptoms of that wikipedia page.
  - space_fountain 5y ago
    Whoops, sorry about that, I'll edit my comment to note I just was totally misreading you. I feel like narcissism is often a claim leveled against the more identify politics parts of the left and I went from there
    - toomuchtodo 5y ago
      No worries, conveying ideas in this medium can be challenging and fraught with peril.

csa 5y ago

Knowing some of these people and having candid conversations with them, the answers I hear (which I pretty much 100% disagree with) are: Mask requirements in a pandemic? = attack on personal freedom/liberty Taxes? = not a problem… trump took care of that. Cancel culture? = stupid lib tears. Seat belt laws? = attack on personal freedom/liberty… same as helmet laws for motorcyclists. Gun buying restrictions? = attack on personal freedom/liberty Brown neighbors? (actually not a big problem in the south since most neighborhoods are “voluntarily” segregated, but…) = the community will go to hell and property values will decrease.

Fjolsvith 5y ago
Those people have totally inconsiderate and unfriendly personal beliefs. America is NOT the place for personal freedom/liberty. And the Boston Tea party was never about taxes.

iNane9000 5y ago

People don’t want the government to say what they can and can’t do to their own bodies. I can see why people want to draw that particular line in the sand. Despite my personal desire that everyone do the moral, patriotic and practical thing and get vaccinated, I also don’t really want big brother super involved into individuals medical decision making. People should have autonomy over their own body, not the state. It doesn’t seem too unreasonable to think that reducing funding or even eliminating specific state managed health programs might be a great way to curtail such government encroachment and incentivize the massive health care system already in place to do its job so the big brother doesn’t have to step in and break everyone’s freedom.

BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago

> What exactly is being pushed onerously upon these people that’s making them push back? Mask requirements in a pandemic? Taxes? Cancel culture? Seat belt laws? Gun buying restrictions? Brown neighbors? I’m not sure I follow.” Something about this post bothers me. It starts off making an attempt to understand the other side but then the tone shifts and non-sequiturs enter. And I think it’s the “I’m not sure I follow”, said like it’s some punchline that seals the deal. Do we want to explore the situation or do we want upvotes for taking cheap shots at a straw man?

version_five 5y ago
"I'm not sure I follow" in this context is a kind of low brow rhetorical technique, used to try and make the recipient feel stupid or inferior and drop their argument as a result. I've also seen it used for objection handling by mattress or car salesmen.