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“We” = US and NATO > I don’t want to kill anyone in Saudi Arabia, I don’t find any moral stance for the droning/wars to be convincing Read what you want to re

“We” = US and NATO > I don’t want to kill anyone in Saudi Arabia, I don’t find any moral stance for the droning/wars to be convincing Read what you want to read, I guess, because this is what I wrote You chose to privilege my first paragraph of acknowledging reality, and invalidate my actual opinion. Fascinating. We drone strike weddings. Say it with me: we drone strike weddings, funerals, and summarily dismiss innocents in areas and populations as large as California. Share the air with me and acknowledge reality. We would do the same in Saudi Arabia based on the reasons we do it to “non-state enemy combatants (and their wedding guests)” its supposed to make you uncomfortable, focus on something that matters instead of trying to invalidate the one person that says it. Bad habit that might be reinforced by your surroundings.

llp81 5y ago
I liked the version where you said “bad habit in your culture” more, and I know it was there because I started responding to ask what you meant by “your culture” while you quickly edited it to be more acceptable. You should edit that back and own your opinion, because at least I’d respect you more for sticking to your value system. And no, “we” don’t. I don’t live in a NATO country, amigo.
- vmception 5y ago
  I’m watching you form your thoughts in real time as well. As I’m responding to the third or fourth edit of this post too. So cool your head and give actual counterpoints, because everyone is wondering You are assuming there is no accuracy in what I wrote, replaced by the assumption I am being reductive and Islamophobic. I’m not conflating anything, Saudi Arabia beheads people for legal reasons there that do not match our human rights values here. The beheadings occur for the same reasons ISIS does beheadings, because they are both practicing Wahhabism. People have had their citizenships stripped and have been targeted from summary drone strikes, simply because they werent doing the exact same things within Saudi Arabia.
  - llp81 5y ago
    Why would I engage with someone who told me my commentary behavior is a bad habit in “my culture” and continues insisting that HN has a “here” and a “we”? Why are you still permitted on this site at all? This is like the third time I’ve seen you talking like this and it seems to be just enough on the line that you get away with it. Constantly.
    - vmception 5y ago
      I took the bait when you said you were Jewish and acknowledged that Jewish culture has a bad habit of trying to invalidate and censor people, as this is what you are trying to do. It is becoming less convincing to the international community and I am now willing to test that theory. I quickly edited that to say more generally that your surroundings and influences likely are what make you think that bad habit is a solution, and that its due for introspection. I dont know if you are Jewish and this was an attempt to be diplomatic and reduce the further derailing of the conversation, as it seemed unlikely you would ever engage or defend your actual positions. It remains accurate that you are aiming to invalidate and censor me for my message, instead of identify specific points of inaccuracy and discuss them. It remains accurate that you have not elaborated on your position.
      - mthoms 5y ago
        > Jewish culture has a bad habit of trying to invalidate and censor people I'm not Jewish but I flagged this comment. There's absolutely no need for that kind of thing here. The commenters' ethnicity is not relevant. Especially since you seem to be making an argument against (parts of) Islam and not Judaism. Why would they be trying to "censor" you for that?
      - dang 5y ago
        "Jewish culture"? WTF? If you continue to post ethnic/religious/racial slurs, we will ban you. I had to warn you about this just recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27612363 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27612363. In this thread you managed to tar multiple groups with ugly brushes, not to mention crossing into personal attack. Seriously not cool. We've cut you massive slack on HN with this account, considering how often you break the site guidelines. I do that because you've posted quite a few good things. But if you continue to break the rules we will have to ban you again. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and fix this properly. Particularly please stop it with the nasty racial/religious/ethnic/national stuff. I'm repeating myself, but that's because it's important. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27828363 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27828363.

llp81 5y ago

I liked the version where you said “bad habit in your culture” more, and I know it was there because I started responding to ask what you meant by “your culture” while you quickly edited it to be more acceptable. You should edit that back and own your opinion, because at least I’d respect you more for sticking to your value system. And no, “we” don’t. I don’t live in a NATO country, amigo.

vmception 5y ago
I’m watching you form your thoughts in real time as well. As I’m responding to the third or fourth edit of this post too. So cool your head and give actual counterpoints, because everyone is wondering You are assuming there is no accuracy in what I wrote, replaced by the assumption I am being reductive and Islamophobic. I’m not conflating anything, Saudi Arabia beheads people for legal reasons there that do not match our human rights values here. The beheadings occur for the same reasons ISIS does beheadings, because they are both practicing Wahhabism. People have had their citizenships stripped and have been targeted from summary drone strikes, simply because they werent doing the exact same things within Saudi Arabia.
- llp81 5y ago
  Why would I engage with someone who told me my commentary behavior is a bad habit in “my culture” and continues insisting that HN has a “here” and a “we”? Why are you still permitted on this site at all? This is like the third time I’ve seen you talking like this and it seems to be just enough on the line that you get away with it. Constantly.
  - vmception 5y ago
    I took the bait when you said you were Jewish and acknowledged that Jewish culture has a bad habit of trying to invalidate and censor people, as this is what you are trying to do. It is becoming less convincing to the international community and I am now willing to test that theory. I quickly edited that to say more generally that your surroundings and influences likely are what make you think that bad habit is a solution, and that its due for introspection. I dont know if you are Jewish and this was an attempt to be diplomatic and reduce the further derailing of the conversation, as it seemed unlikely you would ever engage or defend your actual positions. It remains accurate that you are aiming to invalidate and censor me for my message, instead of identify specific points of inaccuracy and discuss them. It remains accurate that you have not elaborated on your position.
    - mthoms 5y ago
      > Jewish culture has a bad habit of trying to invalidate and censor people I'm not Jewish but I flagged this comment. There's absolutely no need for that kind of thing here. The commenters' ethnicity is not relevant. Especially since you seem to be making an argument against (parts of) Islam and not Judaism. Why would they be trying to "censor" you for that?
    - dang 5y ago
      "Jewish culture"? WTF? If you continue to post ethnic/religious/racial slurs, we will ban you. I had to warn you about this just recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27612363 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27612363. In this thread you managed to tar multiple groups with ugly brushes, not to mention crossing into personal attack. Seriously not cool. We've cut you massive slack on HN with this account, considering how often you break the site guidelines. I do that because you've posted quite a few good things. But if you continue to break the rules we will have to ban you again. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and fix this properly. Particularly please stop it with the nasty racial/religious/ethnic/national stuff. I'm repeating myself, but that's because it's important. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27828363 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27828363.