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He's right, though. I'm sure the vast majority of Yemenis are perfectly innocent and fuck-all good that does them. The observation about "drone strike eligible

He's right, though. I'm sure the vast majority of Yemenis are perfectly innocent and fuck-all good that does them. The observation about "drone strike eligible" populations is descriptive, not prescriptive, and it's about who is deemed expendable, not who should be (no one, obviously). That's the point of the third paragraph that you inexplicably dismissed.

llp80 5y ago
Uh, no, he very much isn’t. The second paragraph is demonstrably false and is pretty obvious Islamophobia. It’s a disingenuous conflation of sharia law and a caliphate, and imagine how weird it is for me that I find myself explaining this, of all people.
- h0l0cube 5y ago
  It might be an egregious conflation to say that 'all practices of ISIS' are enshrined by law in Saudi Arabia, but it's maybe a bit naive to think the two don't share some problematic ideology. I think recent leadership has been making some changes to bring SA more in line with Western liberal values, but hostile (religious-based) policy towards women[0], LGBTIQ+[1], and apostate Muslims[2], is still heavily enforced. The road to reform on any of these fronts is a long one. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia#Change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Saudi_Arab... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#West_Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_terr... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Saudi_Arabia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Saudi_Arabia
- sat3492 5y ago
  > how weird it is for me that I find myself explaining this Both the "caliphate" and "sharia law" are advocated by the same book quoran. I dont understand why would you consider it is conflated and not related? Are you suggesting that we look only at the good parts of quoran that is suitable with the modern civil society like some prominent muslims suggest(example: mehdi of aljassera)?
  - dang 5y ago
    We've banned this account for religious flamewar. That's not allowed on HN, regardless of which religion you have a problem with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
vmception 5y ago
> The observation about "drone strike eligible" populations is descriptive, not prescriptive, and it's about who is deemed expendable, not who should be (no one, obviously). Thank you I didn’t expect people to misinterpret that when my position is that US/NATO has no business being involved, or has indefensible moral reasons since they exempt so much as well

llp80 5y ago

Uh, no, he very much isn’t. The second paragraph is demonstrably false and is pretty obvious Islamophobia. It’s a disingenuous conflation of sharia law and a caliphate, and imagine how weird it is for me that I find myself explaining this, of all people.

h0l0cube 5y ago
It might be an egregious conflation to say that 'all practices of ISIS' are enshrined by law in Saudi Arabia, but it's maybe a bit naive to think the two don't share some problematic ideology. I think recent leadership has been making some changes to bring SA more in line with Western liberal values, but hostile (religious-based) policy towards women[0], LGBTIQ+[1], and apostate Muslims[2], is still heavily enforced. The road to reform on any of these fronts is a long one. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia#Change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Saudi_Arab... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#West_Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_terr... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Saudi_Arabia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Saudi_Arabia
sat3492 5y ago
> how weird it is for me that I find myself explaining this Both the "caliphate" and "sharia law" are advocated by the same book quoran. I dont understand why would you consider it is conflated and not related? Are you suggesting that we look only at the good parts of quoran that is suitable with the modern civil society like some prominent muslims suggest(example: mehdi of aljassera)?
- dang 5y ago
  We've banned this account for religious flamewar. That's not allowed on HN, regardless of which religion you have a problem with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

vmception 5y ago

> The observation about "drone strike eligible" populations is descriptive, not prescriptive, and it's about who is deemed expendable, not who should be (no one, obviously). Thank you I didn’t expect people to misinterpret that when my position is that US/NATO has no business being involved, or has indefensible moral reasons since they exempt so much as well