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>If you follow the news, you may have seen a bit of a dust-up in the last week on this topic. Pfizer announced the need for a booster shot has become more appar

by daenz 5y ago

>If you follow the news, you may have seen a bit of a dust-up in the last week on this topic. Pfizer announced the need for a booster shot has become more apparent, based on serum antibodies. Meanwhile, the Food and Drug Administration and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said such a conclusion would be premature, since vaccine protection looks really good right now, including for the delta variant that has all of us concerned. Who do we trust in that situation? There are qualified scientists on both sides, but why do they disagree on something so critical, especially on how to message it?

deregulateMed 5y ago
Don't trust humans. Wait for scientific studies and replication. This is the scientific method.
- deleted 5y ago
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- desine 5y ago
  When was the last time you saw a study actually replicated and not just "peer reviewed" and referenced?
  - deregulateMed 5y ago
    This is COVID, not some rat behavior study. It will be replicated.
    - desine 5y ago
      Slide into the DMs when that happens
- _carbyau_ 5y ago
  I would also be suspect of any Biotech company announcing a "need" for more/variation product of theirs. But yes. Allow consensus to build before jumping to conclusions when we don't have a time pressure on that front.
- timbo1642 5y ago
  Except the "scientific method" has become untrustworthy and all about money and politics any way you want to look at it. We can talk about drugs that don't work, there are several. Here is the latest article: https://www.statnews.com/2021/06/10/third-member-of-fda-expert-committee-resigns-over-controversial-alzheimers-therapy-decision/ https://www.statnews.com/2021/06/10/third-member-of-fda-expe... but several exist for depression, TAMIFLU, a cancer drug, and so many other things that don't really work. And if you didn't know, the FDA doesn't test the drugs, the drug companies hire an outside company which wants their continued business. I'll never forget a drug rep that came out and said that they cheated on testing for an antidepressant. Lets not forget JUUL buying a whole issue of a scientific journal and filling it with lies or how smoking is good for you. Oh yeah and according to leftists everything is racists like freeways and math. Yeah keep trusting them. Every one of their (leftist) studies is a lie.
- sammyo 5y ago
  Right, but in the case of a vaccine, you wait, you die.
  - desine 5y ago
    Not if you're under 60 and not obese
    - piva00 5y ago
      Tell that to my old colleague in Brazil, dead at 38 from COVID. Or to one of my first co-workers, back in 2005, dead last year at 45. None of them obese, the 45 years old guy was running half-marathons. Please, don't say this kind of shit, it hurts people like me who don't fit your fake narrative for no good reason.
      - deregulateMed 5y ago
        What was their comorbidity?
      - desine 5y ago
        I’m sorry you lost a couple of colleagues too young. But statistical anomalies need to be notated as such. I don’t warn people not to golf due to the risk of lightning strike
      - sreque 5y ago
        I don't need to tell it to you. I and everyone I know have gotten covid and are doing fine. Covid is not the bubonic plague. Its not even the Spanish flu. The data show that already.
        ASalazarMX 5y ago
        Maybe I know a lot more people than you, but my mother's therapist, my dentist, and a coworker's father died from COVID. The great majority of cases don't die, but given it's extremely contagious, it makes up for it with numbers.
Mountain_Skies 5y ago
I'm sure Mark Zuckerberg and Susan Wojcicki will be along soon to tell us which side is telling the truth and which side needs to be exiled from human knowledge.
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plank_time 5y ago
Pfizer had a desperate need for everyone to get a booster shot every year to boost their revenues. I wouldn’t trust them.
- worker767424 5y ago
  We're headed towards that, anyway, but don't get too excited for Pfizer. The mRNA vaccines are selling for $15-$20 per dose, but flu shots are $2. There's a competitor in the market, and it's a new technology, so prices will drop fast.
ardit33 5y ago
I wouldn't trust the guy that is going to make lots of money if the decision went their way...
okaram 5y ago
For now? Everyone, because they are saying the exact same thing, but people/media focus on one aspect. Current consensus is that vaccines are very effective, at least for 6 months, probably a year or more; however, chances are we will need booster shots, we don't know when. People at higher risk will probably need them sooner. If worse variants develop, we will all need them sooner. Depending on how the question is asked, or who is writing the headline, they will either emphasize 'probably needed' or 'not yet'.
brutusborn 5y ago
This is the reason conspiracy theories are proliferating so far. The information provided by different parties is always different. I believe the best solution is for the party with the most authority (the FDA in this case) to publish an explanation that covers the differences. Otherwise lay people are completely justified in believing that Government agencies are lying to them.

by daenz 5y ago

deregulateMed 5y ago

Don't trust humans. Wait for scientific studies and replication. This is the scientific method.

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desine 5y ago
When was the last time you saw a study actually replicated and not just "peer reviewed" and referenced?
- deregulateMed 5y ago
  This is COVID, not some rat behavior study. It will be replicated.
  - desine 5y ago
    Slide into the DMs when that happens
_carbyau_ 5y ago
I would also be suspect of any Biotech company announcing a "need" for more/variation product of theirs. But yes. Allow consensus to build before jumping to conclusions when we don't have a time pressure on that front.
timbo1642 5y ago
Except the "scientific method" has become untrustworthy and all about money and politics any way you want to look at it. We can talk about drugs that don't work, there are several. Here is the latest article: https://www.statnews.com/2021/06/10/third-member-of-fda-expert-committee-resigns-over-controversial-alzheimers-therapy-decision/ https://www.statnews.com/2021/06/10/third-member-of-fda-expe... but several exist for depression, TAMIFLU, a cancer drug, and so many other things that don't really work. And if you didn't know, the FDA doesn't test the drugs, the drug companies hire an outside company which wants their continued business. I'll never forget a drug rep that came out and said that they cheated on testing for an antidepressant. Lets not forget JUUL buying a whole issue of a scientific journal and filling it with lies or how smoking is good for you. Oh yeah and according to leftists everything is racists like freeways and math. Yeah keep trusting them. Every one of their (leftist) studies is a lie.
sammyo 5y ago
Right, but in the case of a vaccine, you wait, you die.
- desine 5y ago
  Not if you're under 60 and not obese
  - piva00 5y ago
    Tell that to my old colleague in Brazil, dead at 38 from COVID. Or to one of my first co-workers, back in 2005, dead last year at 45. None of them obese, the 45 years old guy was running half-marathons. Please, don't say this kind of shit, it hurts people like me who don't fit your fake narrative for no good reason.
    - deregulateMed 5y ago
      What was their comorbidity?
    - desine 5y ago
      I’m sorry you lost a couple of colleagues too young. But statistical anomalies need to be notated as such. I don’t warn people not to golf due to the risk of lightning strike
    - sreque 5y ago
      I don't need to tell it to you. I and everyone I know have gotten covid and are doing fine. Covid is not the bubonic plague. Its not even the Spanish flu. The data show that already.
      - ASalazarMX 5y ago
        Maybe I know a lot more people than you, but my mother's therapist, my dentist, and a coworker's father died from COVID. The great majority of cases don't die, but given it's extremely contagious, it makes up for it with numbers.

Mountain_Skies 5y ago

I'm sure Mark Zuckerberg and Susan Wojcicki will be along soon to tell us which side is telling the truth and which side needs to be exiled from human knowledge.

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plank_time 5y ago

Pfizer had a desperate need for everyone to get a booster shot every year to boost their revenues. I wouldn’t trust them.

worker767424 5y ago
We're headed towards that, anyway, but don't get too excited for Pfizer. The mRNA vaccines are selling for $15-$20 per dose, but flu shots are $2. There's a competitor in the market, and it's a new technology, so prices will drop fast.

ardit33 5y ago

I wouldn't trust the guy that is going to make lots of money if the decision went their way...

okaram 5y ago

For now? Everyone, because they are saying the exact same thing, but people/media focus on one aspect. Current consensus is that vaccines are very effective, at least for 6 months, probably a year or more; however, chances are we will need booster shots, we don't know when. People at higher risk will probably need them sooner. If worse variants develop, we will all need them sooner. Depending on how the question is asked, or who is writing the headline, they will either emphasize 'probably needed' or 'not yet'.

brutusborn 5y ago

This is the reason conspiracy theories are proliferating so far. The information provided by different parties is always different. I believe the best solution is for the party with the most authority (the FDA in this case) to publish an explanation that covers the differences. Otherwise lay people are completely justified in believing that Government agencies are lying to them.