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It’s a factual scientific statement that absolutely should be stated by as many people of all professions as possible, especially scientists that study this exa

It’s a factual scientific statement that absolutely should be stated by as many people of all professions as possible, especially scientists that study this exact topic. You lost your credibility when you threw this shit on it.

amznthrwaway 5y ago
CPAC audiences recently applauded low vaccination rates. The right wing has gone completely insane.
version_five 5y ago
I disagree, specifically with the idea of mixing telling people what to do with reporting cause and effect. The latter is clearly within the realm of the researcher's expertise. The former is a more complex political decision that has a lot of other factors. In this case, the statement (get vaccicanted) is not even controversial. But it's the principal of specialists mixing telling people as a group what to do with the results of their studies that I object to. I dont expect my point to be understood or appreciated (people literally looked into my comment history and downvoted past comments when I posted the GP) but I want to clarify my point. Treatment science as a religion is not a way forward, even if scientists say things you agree with.
- glial 5y ago
  > the principal of specialists mixing telling people as a group what to do When specialists tell you not to drink contaminated lake water, or to wear a mask when removing asbestos tiles, or to get a colonoscopy when you turn 50, do you reject those recommendations also?
  - spookthesunset 5y ago
    Those people are acting within their specialty. For the last year and a half the only voice in the room that was allowed was that of the doomsday epidemiologist. Whatever recommendations they said were taken at face value with no thought or regard to any other specialty at all. Epidemiologists are not experts in political science, economics, mental health, education, public health, business, finance, behavioral health, law or anything else. When these people make unilateral public policy decisions, they are operating well outside their expertise. Unilateral myopic Technocracy ain’t what it was made out to be. It appears to quickly devolve into straight fascism.
    - ideamotor 5y ago
      Quite the contrary, we let many absolute psychos in the room. Notably, Trump. And we are far worse for it, and are about to be hit in the face for it. It’s absolutely false that only epidemiologists were the only voice or decision maker. You’re dreaming something up. P.S. I don’t downvote. Finally, I have a degree in public policy that included classes in political science, statistics, economics, business, finance, and law. So listen to me. ;)
    - glial 5y ago
      > Epidemiologists are not experts in political science, economics, mental health, education, public health, business, finance, behavioral health, law or anything else. OK, but the parent was complaining about recommendations that people get vaccinated, which is what I was responding to.

amznthrwaway 5y ago

CPAC audiences recently applauded low vaccination rates. The right wing has gone completely insane.

version_five 5y ago

I disagree, specifically with the idea of mixing telling people what to do with reporting cause and effect. The latter is clearly within the realm of the researcher's expertise. The former is a more complex political decision that has a lot of other factors. In this case, the statement (get vaccicanted) is not even controversial. But it's the principal of specialists mixing telling people as a group what to do with the results of their studies that I object to. I dont expect my point to be understood or appreciated (people literally looked into my comment history and downvoted past comments when I posted the GP) but I want to clarify my point. Treatment science as a religion is not a way forward, even if scientists say things you agree with.

glial 5y ago
> the principal of specialists mixing telling people as a group what to do When specialists tell you not to drink contaminated lake water, or to wear a mask when removing asbestos tiles, or to get a colonoscopy when you turn 50, do you reject those recommendations also?
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  Those people are acting within their specialty. For the last year and a half the only voice in the room that was allowed was that of the doomsday epidemiologist. Whatever recommendations they said were taken at face value with no thought or regard to any other specialty at all. Epidemiologists are not experts in political science, economics, mental health, education, public health, business, finance, behavioral health, law or anything else. When these people make unilateral public policy decisions, they are operating well outside their expertise. Unilateral myopic Technocracy ain’t what it was made out to be. It appears to quickly devolve into straight fascism.
  - ideamotor 5y ago
    Quite the contrary, we let many absolute psychos in the room. Notably, Trump. And we are far worse for it, and are about to be hit in the face for it. It’s absolutely false that only epidemiologists were the only voice or decision maker. You’re dreaming something up. P.S. I don’t downvote. Finally, I have a degree in public policy that included classes in political science, statistics, economics, business, finance, and law. So listen to me. ;)
  - glial 5y ago
    > Epidemiologists are not experts in political science, economics, mental health, education, public health, business, finance, behavioral health, law or anything else. OK, but the parent was complaining about recommendations that people get vaccinated, which is what I was responding to.