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There's programming bootcamps that basically take a fraction of the graduate's income for a few years instead of charging tuition. But since they optimize for q

by lhorie 5y ago

There's programming bootcamps that basically take a fraction of the graduate's income for a few years instead of charging tuition. But since they optimize for quick employability, and not necessarily a more depth/breadth oriented curriculum as is common in traditional higher education, they have relatively superficial curriculums and thus they don't have the greatest of reputations among companies looking for brainpower rather than fad cookie cutters. Incentives are hard.

zdragnar 5y ago
I worked for a company that hired a few from these. We weren't expecting them to know everything, but to have the drive, determination and perhaps a bit of natural skill in understanding programming. They were easily the best junior developers we had hired, and all have done quite well in their careers. Perhaps we just got lucky?
- Notanothertoo 5y ago
  I've worked with one, hired right before I joined, I became lead 6 months later. He would ask for help and then when I gave him things to do or lookup he would just fail, and would subtly try and get others to do it for him. Total mooch. Multiple meetings and attempts about it. Couldn't fire him. Had him on a plan immediately after being lead. It was so bad at one point I had his desk moved to be next to mine and I had to tell him he can talk to me but stop interrupting other seniors. Eventually that became work in whatever you want so long as you don't need anyone. He sat there for 3 months and did nothing before he was finally payed off. Parent company transfered him to his own department essentially and then "restructured" it. He had a mech engineer background, two years out of engineering school went to code camp. Ceo was an idiot and payed him 90k starting which was a lot more than one of the other seniors who was an self taught English grad. He worked his ass of an was performing as a senior. Ceo stiffed him on the raise, he didn't know any better until he found out code campers salary and was gone in two weeks. My director left shortly after and so did I. They haven't kept a lead for more than 6 months since, that was 3 years ago... Sorry I digress.
- camjohnson26 5y ago
  We’ve had some outstanding juniors hired from bootcamps, self motivation is powerful.
- steveBK123 5y ago
  There's something to be said for the drive of someone who has had to strive to get where they are versus those who take it for granted. Bear Stearns had a hiring mantra of not liking MBAs and instead hiring PSDs: "Poor, smart and had a deep desire to be rich" :-)
  - TheCoelacanth 5y ago
    How did that work out for them?

by lhorie 5y ago

zdragnar 5y ago

I worked for a company that hired a few from these. We weren't expecting them to know everything, but to have the drive, determination and perhaps a bit of natural skill in understanding programming. They were easily the best junior developers we had hired, and all have done quite well in their careers. Perhaps we just got lucky?

Notanothertoo 5y ago
I've worked with one, hired right before I joined, I became lead 6 months later. He would ask for help and then when I gave him things to do or lookup he would just fail, and would subtly try and get others to do it for him. Total mooch. Multiple meetings and attempts about it. Couldn't fire him. Had him on a plan immediately after being lead. It was so bad at one point I had his desk moved to be next to mine and I had to tell him he can talk to me but stop interrupting other seniors. Eventually that became work in whatever you want so long as you don't need anyone. He sat there for 3 months and did nothing before he was finally payed off. Parent company transfered him to his own department essentially and then "restructured" it. He had a mech engineer background, two years out of engineering school went to code camp. Ceo was an idiot and payed him 90k starting which was a lot more than one of the other seniors who was an self taught English grad. He worked his ass of an was performing as a senior. Ceo stiffed him on the raise, he didn't know any better until he found out code campers salary and was gone in two weeks. My director left shortly after and so did I. They haven't kept a lead for more than 6 months since, that was 3 years ago... Sorry I digress.
camjohnson26 5y ago
We’ve had some outstanding juniors hired from bootcamps, self motivation is powerful.
steveBK123 5y ago
There's something to be said for the drive of someone who has had to strive to get where they are versus those who take it for granted. Bear Stearns had a hiring mantra of not liking MBAs and instead hiring PSDs: "Poor, smart and had a deep desire to be rich" :-)
- TheCoelacanth 5y ago
  How did that work out for them?