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I ran a trade school and that's exactly what we already have to do. Trade schools have to show 70%+ placement in the field to continue to be accredited and qual

I ran a trade school and that's exactly what we already have to do. Trade schools have to show 70%+ placement in the field to continue to be accredited and qualify for financial aid. Yet one political party likes to go on TV and talk about "predatory trade schools" when this is what goes on at credit-hour colleges. Trades also get attacked for having higher default rates, with no consideration of mediating variables like the fact that they serve more people from poor families.

krastanov 5y ago
Could you elaborate on the political activism behind this (the why and the who). I can not guess which the party (or sub-party) is and what their (honest or hypocritical) agenda is, but I am sincerely interested in your point of view. (Yeah, I know you might suffer knee-jerk downvotes for mentioning something about Dems or Reps)
- leereeves 5y ago
  CNN: Biden has canceled $1.5 billion in student debt for victims of for-profit school fraud https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/09/politics/biden-student-loan-debt-cancellation/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/09/politics/biden-student-loan-d... Those schools, like ITT Tech and the Court Reporting Institute, probably deserve to be shut down, but somehow it's only trade schools that receive this punishment. Columbia Film, despite having a far worse career placement rate than ITT Tech, won't be accused of fraud. (At least not officially.)
  - lr4444lr 5y ago
    Well yeah, but it's often because the trade schools make pretty strong claims about employability to prospective students, which courts found to constitute fraud. Top Ivies don't make these claims.
kevinventullo 5y ago
one political party likes to go on TV and talk about "predatory trade schools" I don’t think I’ve ever heard this sentiment from anyone, regardless of political affiliation. The only criticism I’ve ever heard about trade school is that the jobs can be tough on your body as you get into your 50’s and 60’s.
- gnicholas 5y ago
  I think the dichotomy GP is referring to is between non-profit institutions and for-profit institutions. In general, Democrats are more critical of for-profits, and Republicans are more supportive of them. I work in edtech and have heard arguments on both sides, and of course the extreme positions aren’t very thoughtful. One thing that would be helpful is more data on student outcomes, as suggested above.
TchoBeer 5y ago
>Yet one political party likes to go on TV and talk about "predatory trade schools" Not doubting that it happens, but who does this?
- 8note 5y ago
  I'm gonna guess it's the libertarians or the communists
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Really? I've legitimately never heard even them state such a thing.
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    Why Libertarians of all people? They are generally laissez-faire and against accreditation entirely.
a-dub 5y ago
i had a very interesting conversation with a ccny professor on the subway once where he explained that he was facing a bimodal distribution in grades. those who were full-time residential students and those who were working their way through with one foot in the real world. i imagine that trade schools can face similar problems. that said, there has been no shortage of scams in education. this is why i think financing for it is best run and regulated through the government.

krastanov 5y ago

Could you elaborate on the political activism behind this (the why and the who). I can not guess which the party (or sub-party) is and what their (honest or hypocritical) agenda is, but I am sincerely interested in your point of view. (Yeah, I know you might suffer knee-jerk downvotes for mentioning something about Dems or Reps)

leereeves 5y ago
CNN: Biden has canceled $1.5 billion in student debt for victims of for-profit school fraud https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/09/politics/biden-student-loan-debt-cancellation/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/09/politics/biden-student-loan-d... Those schools, like ITT Tech and the Court Reporting Institute, probably deserve to be shut down, but somehow it's only trade schools that receive this punishment. Columbia Film, despite having a far worse career placement rate than ITT Tech, won't be accused of fraud. (At least not officially.)
- lr4444lr 5y ago
  Well yeah, but it's often because the trade schools make pretty strong claims about employability to prospective students, which courts found to constitute fraud. Top Ivies don't make these claims.

kevinventullo 5y ago

one political party likes to go on TV and talk about "predatory trade schools" I don’t think I’ve ever heard this sentiment from anyone, regardless of political affiliation. The only criticism I’ve ever heard about trade school is that the jobs can be tough on your body as you get into your 50’s and 60’s.

gnicholas 5y ago
I think the dichotomy GP is referring to is between non-profit institutions and for-profit institutions. In general, Democrats are more critical of for-profits, and Republicans are more supportive of them. I work in edtech and have heard arguments on both sides, and of course the extreme positions aren’t very thoughtful. One thing that would be helpful is more data on student outcomes, as suggested above.

TchoBeer 5y ago

>Yet one political party likes to go on TV and talk about "predatory trade schools" Not doubting that it happens, but who does this?

8note 5y ago
I'm gonna guess it's the libertarians or the communists
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Really? I've legitimately never heard even them state such a thing.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  Why Libertarians of all people? They are generally laissez-faire and against accreditation entirely.

a-dub 5y ago

i had a very interesting conversation with a ccny professor on the subway once where he explained that he was facing a bimodal distribution in grades. those who were full-time residential students and those who were working their way through with one foot in the real world. i imagine that trade schools can face similar problems. that said, there has been no shortage of scams in education. this is why i think financing for it is best run and regulated through the government.