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I sense some cognitive dissonance between your two paragraphs. In the first you argue for a focus on consumerism and marketing, in the second you criticize Fire

I sense some cognitive dissonance between your two paragraphs. In the first you argue for a focus on consumerism and marketing, in the second you criticize Firefox for competing by appealing to styles and trends.

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floatingatoll 5y ago
Do you feel that this dissonance should change how we readers interpret this argument in some way, or is this meant solely as a typo-fix kind of comment? It’s unusual to see a new HN user offering proofreading comments, so I’m hesitant to accept that interpretation without checking first.
- dannyw 5y ago
  Not sure what the meaning behind your comment, but I found /u/downWidOutaFite's reply to be thought provoking. Specifically, the original poster's paragraphs seem to contradict each other: the first suggests 'not fighting the good fight' because you have to appeal to consumerism, and the second blames Mozilla for not fighting the good fight and appealing to consumerism. I also don't know why the account age has anything to do with this -- they're not pointing out a typo, they're pointing out a logical contradiction.
  - floatingatoll 5y ago
    I see. Thank you for taking the time to speak in more depth about it.
badsectoracula 5y ago
I do not see these two as being in opposite to each other, or more specifically i do not see the second contradicting the first. Firefox's owners can be corrupted and focused on the wrong things (i'm not saying they are, btw - actually i do not exactly agree with the idea of Firefox having "owners" in the first place, at least not the same way as Microsoft owns Windows) and have the wrong priorities. If you consider that Firefox needs to do things right, you may want to prioritize making Firefox "good" (whatever that means, e.g. making it the fastest and/or most secure browser and/or giving the most control to the user, etc) and then (in terms of priority) try to promote and create a marketing campaign that focuses on those aspects of Firefox. It isn't like marketing is all about style. And even if it focused on the style, one might disagree that the proper way to go about it is to copy Chrome. There are many ways to interpret these two paragraphs as not being contradicting.

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floatingatoll 5y ago

Do you feel that this dissonance should change how we readers interpret this argument in some way, or is this meant solely as a typo-fix kind of comment? It’s unusual to see a new HN user offering proofreading comments, so I’m hesitant to accept that interpretation without checking first.

dannyw 5y ago
Not sure what the meaning behind your comment, but I found /u/downWidOutaFite's reply to be thought provoking. Specifically, the original poster's paragraphs seem to contradict each other: the first suggests 'not fighting the good fight' because you have to appeal to consumerism, and the second blames Mozilla for not fighting the good fight and appealing to consumerism. I also don't know why the account age has anything to do with this -- they're not pointing out a typo, they're pointing out a logical contradiction.
- floatingatoll 5y ago
  I see. Thank you for taking the time to speak in more depth about it.

badsectoracula 5y ago

I do not see these two as being in opposite to each other, or more specifically i do not see the second contradicting the first. Firefox's owners can be corrupted and focused on the wrong things (i'm not saying they are, btw - actually i do not exactly agree with the idea of Firefox having "owners" in the first place, at least not the same way as Microsoft owns Windows) and have the wrong priorities. If you consider that Firefox needs to do things right, you may want to prioritize making Firefox "good" (whatever that means, e.g. making it the fastest and/or most secure browser and/or giving the most control to the user, etc) and then (in terms of priority) try to promote and create a marketing campaign that focuses on those aspects of Firefox. It isn't like marketing is all about style. And even if it focused on the style, one might disagree that the proper way to go about it is to copy Chrome. There are many ways to interpret these two paragraphs as not being contradicting.