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I know it isn't for everyone, but if you're seriously trying to save cash and you can handle the trade-off of managing your own infrastructure, Hetzner has AX10

I know it isn't for everyone, but if you're seriously trying to save cash and you can handle the trade-off of managing your own infrastructure, Hetzner has AX101s back in stock: https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax101 https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax101. €100/mo for 16 Ryzen 9 cores, 128GB of RAM and 3.84TB of NVMe. Unlimited traffic.

heipei 5y ago
Seconded. Every three months I get a little anxious about not running on one of the clouds that would let me scale more quickly (and also would let me do things like use Athena to go through a huge S3 bucket). But then I do a little math and realise that the bandwidth bill from AWS alone would eclipse all of my hosting costs at Hetzner, not to speak of the actual servers running there, and I don't really need fast scaling if I can just provision everything with a nice margin (2x) and still come out way below AWS prices. But it really depends on the nature of your business I suppose.
- hughrr 5y ago
  Bandwidth on AWS has some scary side effects if you're not careful. A former colleague of mine got screwed for this and S3. Backup storage costs? $57 a month. Just the bandwidth fee to do a restore? $450
- schoolornot 5y ago
  If only deploying Kubernetes was as simple as running a golang up and etcd tolerated some latency, you could spin up a node in AWS, another in Hetzner, and a third in DigitalOcean.
  - pas 5y ago
    Try microk8s.io , it uses dqlite (replicated SQLite + raft leader election; also, yes, it needs 'snap', just let it go, it doesn't matter). Use a fixed version stable channel, because they apparently employ the world's eminent simian scientists to break your cluster on every major update. Even on a test cluster don't be too frugal with RAM. https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/getting-started-with-kubernetes-ha#3-install-microk8s https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/getting-started-with-kubernetes...
hughrr 5y ago
That's less than my accidental personal AWS bill a couple of months ago!
christophilus 5y ago
Netcup is also excellent. It’s the best CPU bang for the buck that I’ve found, and where I run around 10 transcoding servers. https://www.netcup.eu/ https://www.netcup.eu/
- mwint 5y ago
  Do you have a link to a page with VPS sizes/prices? I’m only seeing marketing stuff with no real numbers. I’m on mobile, might have something to do with it.
- gnfargbl 5y ago
  While we're on the good-value dedicated server providers, Contabo are also worth a look: https://contabo.com/en/dedicated-servers/amd-epyc-32-cores https://contabo.com/en/dedicated-servers/amd-epyc-32-cores
- Chickenosaurus 5y ago
  Netcup was founded in my hometown in Germany. They have a very good reputation. However, they were aquired a while ago by Anexia. I am not sure if that changed anything.
system2 5y ago
No U.S. alternative.
- cpncrunch 5y ago
  OVH has US and Canadian data centres, and free bandwidth and DDoS protection. Ive been using them for about 5 years and they are very reliable.
  - ckdarby 5y ago
    Lichess is also hosted there
  - mgbmtl 5y ago
    Seconded. Happy OVH user here. We run 10 baremetal servers in CA and EU, using KVM, ZFS and "fallback IPs" so that we can move VMs around easily. Borg for backups to another provider. But yeah, because of clouds, old school sysadmin skills can be difficult to find.
kjaftaedi 5y ago
Their fraud system errantly flagged my account because of my name and they deleted all my data. I got an email saying there was an issue with my account, called them within 10 minutes of the email and was informed they had already deleted all my data. They reinstated my account which was just a blank shell, nothing remained but my username and password. You get what you pay for. If you go with them make sure you back up your data to a separate provider.
- iamtheworstdev 5y ago
  wth. How is that even considered acceptable from their end?
- Consultant32452 5y ago
  Is your name Alex Jones, Donald Trump, or Laura Loomer?
- pas 5y ago
  Did they offer any compensation at all? How old was your account at the time of deletion?
  - kjaftaedi 5y ago
    No compensation, barely an apology. It was only about 3 weeks old, but because I was still in the middle of setting up the environment it meant that those three weeks of effort were mostly lost.
- numlock86 5y ago
  I had the same thing there happen twice to me within one year. I seriously don't get how this company still exists. I have been with Contabo for two years now and no issues so far.
- throwaway81523 5y ago
  That is quite a surprising story, unless your account was deleted immediately or almost immediately after creation. I know of some people kicked out of Hetzner after doing some actual bad stuff, but they had been there for a while. Hetzner took their servers offline and gave them X days to retrieve their data through the rescue system, or alternatively, pay $Y and have the hard drives from the servers physically removed and shipped to them. I think both of the above cases were normal TOS violations like hosting porn. If more serious crime was involved the response might have been different. I've had stuff at Hetzner for about 5 years and I'm very happy with them.
dx034 5y ago
And you can get a 10gbit/s uplink for ~€45/mo. Traffic is not unlimited anymore then but with €1/TB still cheap.
ofrzeta 5y ago
The also have a cloud offering that's supported by Terraform. They don't offer software as a service but various instance types, virtual networks, storage and load balancers. Happy customer here.
thatwasunusual 5y ago
Hetzner is fantastic, at least if you're European (it only has data centres in Germany and Finland). We've used them for 8-ish years, and _never_ had any problems. At the moment we're running a 3-node Galera-powered MySQL cluster on the EX52-NVME servers,[0] costing a _total_ of $2,800/year. [0] https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ex52-nvme https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ex52-nvme
- truetraveller 5y ago
  Hey, did you have any public-facing websites, or just private Databases? I heard Hetzner DDoS is pretty bad, and during a DDoS, SSL (https) does not work correctly.
  - thatwasunusual 5y ago
    We've run pretty much everything on Hetzer. DDoS has never been a problem, but we usually deploy Varnish in front of the web servers to handle traffic.

heipei 5y ago

Seconded. Every three months I get a little anxious about not running on one of the clouds that would let me scale more quickly (and also would let me do things like use Athena to go through a huge S3 bucket). But then I do a little math and realise that the bandwidth bill from AWS alone would eclipse all of my hosting costs at Hetzner, not to speak of the actual servers running there, and I don't really need fast scaling if I can just provision everything with a nice margin (2x) and still come out way below AWS prices. But it really depends on the nature of your business I suppose.

hughrr 5y ago
Bandwidth on AWS has some scary side effects if you're not careful. A former colleague of mine got screwed for this and S3. Backup storage costs? $57 a month. Just the bandwidth fee to do a restore? $450
schoolornot 5y ago
If only deploying Kubernetes was as simple as running a golang up and etcd tolerated some latency, you could spin up a node in AWS, another in Hetzner, and a third in DigitalOcean.
- pas 5y ago
  Try microk8s.io , it uses dqlite (replicated SQLite + raft leader election; also, yes, it needs 'snap', just let it go, it doesn't matter). Use a fixed version stable channel, because they apparently employ the world's eminent simian scientists to break your cluster on every major update. Even on a test cluster don't be too frugal with RAM. https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/getting-started-with-kubernetes-ha#3-install-microk8s https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/getting-started-with-kubernetes...

hughrr 5y ago

That's less than my accidental personal AWS bill a couple of months ago!

christophilus 5y ago

Netcup is also excellent. It’s the best CPU bang for the buck that I’ve found, and where I run around 10 transcoding servers. https://www.netcup.eu/ https://www.netcup.eu/

mwint 5y ago
Do you have a link to a page with VPS sizes/prices? I’m only seeing marketing stuff with no real numbers. I’m on mobile, might have something to do with it.
gnfargbl 5y ago
While we're on the good-value dedicated server providers, Contabo are also worth a look: https://contabo.com/en/dedicated-servers/amd-epyc-32-cores https://contabo.com/en/dedicated-servers/amd-epyc-32-cores
Chickenosaurus 5y ago
Netcup was founded in my hometown in Germany. They have a very good reputation. However, they were aquired a while ago by Anexia. I am not sure if that changed anything.

system2 5y ago

No U.S. alternative.

cpncrunch 5y ago
OVH has US and Canadian data centres, and free bandwidth and DDoS protection. Ive been using them for about 5 years and they are very reliable.
- ckdarby 5y ago
  Lichess is also hosted there
- mgbmtl 5y ago
  Seconded. Happy OVH user here. We run 10 baremetal servers in CA and EU, using KVM, ZFS and "fallback IPs" so that we can move VMs around easily. Borg for backups to another provider. But yeah, because of clouds, old school sysadmin skills can be difficult to find.

kjaftaedi 5y ago

Their fraud system errantly flagged my account because of my name and they deleted all my data. I got an email saying there was an issue with my account, called them within 10 minutes of the email and was informed they had already deleted all my data. They reinstated my account which was just a blank shell, nothing remained but my username and password. You get what you pay for. If you go with them make sure you back up your data to a separate provider.

iamtheworstdev 5y ago
wth. How is that even considered acceptable from their end?
Consultant32452 5y ago
Is your name Alex Jones, Donald Trump, or Laura Loomer?
pas 5y ago
Did they offer any compensation at all? How old was your account at the time of deletion?
- kjaftaedi 5y ago
  No compensation, barely an apology. It was only about 3 weeks old, but because I was still in the middle of setting up the environment it meant that those three weeks of effort were mostly lost.
numlock86 5y ago
I had the same thing there happen twice to me within one year. I seriously don't get how this company still exists. I have been with Contabo for two years now and no issues so far.
throwaway81523 5y ago
That is quite a surprising story, unless your account was deleted immediately or almost immediately after creation. I know of some people kicked out of Hetzner after doing some actual bad stuff, but they had been there for a while. Hetzner took their servers offline and gave them X days to retrieve their data through the rescue system, or alternatively, pay $Y and have the hard drives from the servers physically removed and shipped to them. I think both of the above cases were normal TOS violations like hosting porn. If more serious crime was involved the response might have been different. I've had stuff at Hetzner for about 5 years and I'm very happy with them.

dx034 5y ago

And you can get a 10gbit/s uplink for ~€45/mo. Traffic is not unlimited anymore then but with €1/TB still cheap.

ofrzeta 5y ago

The also have a cloud offering that's supported by Terraform. They don't offer software as a service but various instance types, virtual networks, storage and load balancers. Happy customer here.

thatwasunusual 5y ago

Hetzner is fantastic, at least if you're European (it only has data centres in Germany and Finland). We've used them for 8-ish years, and _never_ had any problems. At the moment we're running a 3-node Galera-powered MySQL cluster on the EX52-NVME servers,[0] costing a _total_ of $2,800/year. [0] https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ex52-nvme https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ex52-nvme

truetraveller 5y ago
Hey, did you have any public-facing websites, or just private Databases? I heard Hetzner DDoS is pretty bad, and during a DDoS, SSL (https) does not work correctly.
- thatwasunusual 5y ago
  We've run pretty much everything on Hetzer. DDoS has never been a problem, but we usually deploy Varnish in front of the web servers to handle traffic.