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> "How's that different?" How does that matter? I am not speaking on Biden's actions or intentions, I am speaking on China's. I am also not speaking on what i

> "How's that different?" How does that matter? I am not speaking on Biden's actions or intentions, I am speaking on China's. I am also not speaking on what is 'right' or 'wrong'. just that is confusing given their stated goals.

lhorie 5y ago
IMHO, it matters precisely because if we don't ascribe preconceptions of right vs wrong (particularly when that tends to be married to US-vs-China narratives), neither of the efforts seems like illogical courses of action, nor all that different at all in the first place. Is it really confusing that a communist government doesn't like monopolistically-inclined companies? How so? Shouldn't that be a given, all other things considered?
- autokad 5y ago
  First off, China isn't a traditional communist country, so the idea of corporations is already kind of weird. 2ndly, China is already apart of the companies and run many aspects of the companies. Therefore, much like how companies in the US are effectively weapons used by the US government, so are the Chinese companies. Therefore it makes no sense to destroy your weapons. I actually don't think this works out very well for China. I think it ends very, very poorly. but time will tell.
  - lhorie 5y ago
    I dunno, I don't so much care how close to a book a regime looks. There are also people that criticize American's flavor of democracy, for example. At the end of the day, regardless of what books say, there's only fuzzy real world implementations of said ideologies. Amazon strikes me as being about as close to weaponizing capitalism as it gets, and that isn't exactly a shining beacon of social perfection. Ironically, Amazon sells a bunch of chinese stuff made by companies you've never heard of, whereas commerce of American brands in China is... yohoho and a bottle of rum. I'd say it's far easier for China to ban global sticking-out-like-a-sore-thumb giants like twitter whereas I'd say US' economic reliance on the chinese constellation of businesses is a tough nut to crack. I guess time will tell indeed.

lhorie 5y ago

IMHO, it matters precisely because if we don't ascribe preconceptions of right vs wrong (particularly when that tends to be married to US-vs-China narratives), neither of the efforts seems like illogical courses of action, nor all that different at all in the first place. Is it really confusing that a communist government doesn't like monopolistically-inclined companies? How so? Shouldn't that be a given, all other things considered?

autokad 5y ago
First off, China isn't a traditional communist country, so the idea of corporations is already kind of weird. 2ndly, China is already apart of the companies and run many aspects of the companies. Therefore, much like how companies in the US are effectively weapons used by the US government, so are the Chinese companies. Therefore it makes no sense to destroy your weapons. I actually don't think this works out very well for China. I think it ends very, very poorly. but time will tell.
- lhorie 5y ago
  I dunno, I don't so much care how close to a book a regime looks. There are also people that criticize American's flavor of democracy, for example. At the end of the day, regardless of what books say, there's only fuzzy real world implementations of said ideologies. Amazon strikes me as being about as close to weaponizing capitalism as it gets, and that isn't exactly a shining beacon of social perfection. Ironically, Amazon sells a bunch of chinese stuff made by companies you've never heard of, whereas commerce of American brands in China is... yohoho and a bottle of rum. I'd say it's far easier for China to ban global sticking-out-like-a-sore-thumb giants like twitter whereas I'd say US' economic reliance on the chinese constellation of businesses is a tough nut to crack. I guess time will tell indeed.