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The tab bar is functionally useless if you have > 10 tabs open, so I don't even know why I'd notice. Aesthetically, it's fine for me. Option to hide it complet

by akho 5y ago

The tab bar is functionally useless if you have > 10 tabs open, so I don't even know why I'd notice. Aesthetically, it's fine for me. Option to hide it completely (replacing with a mobile-style full-screen modal view with properly sized previews and keyboard navigation / fuzzy finding if you allow me to dream) would be nice.

metalliqaz 5y ago
I started using Tree Style Tab to manage them, and I like that very much. I agree, a mobile-style manager would be interesting.
- akho 5y ago
  I use tridactyl’s `:b` often. No previews, no fullscreen, no fuzzy matching, but at least full titles and word search.
- Nadya 5y ago
  Sounds a bit like you'd like Tab Groups. I used Tab Groups extensively until that functionality was ripped out and put into a shitty, poorly maintained, broken add-on. A quick Ctrl+Shift+E and I could organize everything into work/research/gaming/wikis/whatever and quickly search all tabs or within a specific tab group to switch tabs. The add-on kind of works but isn't as feature complete and from my experience was pretty buggy and wouldn't properly maintain my groups between sessions sometimes. Honestly web browsers have been in a steady decline for me ever since FF34~ish with the exception of better modern CSS/JS support. They kill features and functionality I use extensively and rarely provide any alternatives. Few of my browser extensions even work since FF killed off all old addons. It forced me to use Chrome and now Chrome is looking like they'll be killing off a good number of extensions I use in the near future. Can't have a browser for power-users because power-users don't make up enough market share. sigh
  - yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
    > until that functionality was ripped out and put into a shitty, poorly maintained, broken add-on. Since you didn't quite say it explicitly: The real insult was that they factored it out into an extension, and then promptly broke the extension by ripping out the API surface it needed.
    - Nadya 5y ago
      I didn't say it explicitly because I never bothered digging deeply into why it became so terrible - after being burned enough times by FF during that time period I decided to bite the bullet and switch over to Chrome since at my experience was at least more stable/had less breakage every update. Ironically enough it seems Chrome may be pushing some Extension API changes that will break things and force me to go back to Firefox. It's gotten to a point where I'd gladly use an old, insecure browser with features I like that enables a workflow I'm comfortable with than being force to use a more secure browser with all the features gutted or gimped. But I can't even do that because then every other site refuses to serve me content unless I update my browser to a supported version.
  - coffeeling 5y ago
    Tab groups is a big reason I moved to Brave. The stock tab group implementation is excellent, and they have a scrollable tab bar now too. Edge probably has it best with vertical tabs and that Chromium-native tab group setup.
- brynjolf 5y ago
  Window management is still horrible in Firefox, meaning if I want to close all Hacker news tabs in all open windows no add on seems to handle it properly. Chrome has added built in search of tabs across windows though, would love the same for Firefox
WorldMaker 5y ago
Yeah, I'm fine with them taking up more vertical space, but it's the reduction in horizontal space that most hurts usability, especially with more icons that show up now next to the favicons, further reducing available space. It's still better/preferable than Chromium/Chrome's awful shrinking tabs horizontally down all the way to just favicons when you have a lot of tabs, but it's getting close to feeling that cramped. (I also though have moved a lot of my day-to-day tab switching to Tree Style Tabs, though. I'd probably be angrier if I was already using an add-on like that.)
efraim 5y ago
You can use ctrl-tab to switch between tabs and it shows a thumbnail of each page.
- akho 5y ago
  Does not show thumbnails to me. I'm aware of ctrl-[shift]-tab. It is too slow if you have more than a few.
  - kaza_ 5y ago
    It shows thumbnails if you have enabled "Ctrl+Tab cycles through tabs in recently used order" in settings
    - akho 5y ago
      Huh. I'm not sure I want to know the logic here. Thanks.

by akho 5y ago

metalliqaz 5y ago

I started using Tree Style Tab to manage them, and I like that very much. I agree, a mobile-style manager would be interesting.

akho 5y ago
I use tridactyl’s `:b` often. No previews, no fullscreen, no fuzzy matching, but at least full titles and word search.
Nadya 5y ago
Sounds a bit like you'd like Tab Groups. I used Tab Groups extensively until that functionality was ripped out and put into a shitty, poorly maintained, broken add-on. A quick Ctrl+Shift+E and I could organize everything into work/research/gaming/wikis/whatever and quickly search all tabs or within a specific tab group to switch tabs. The add-on kind of works but isn't as feature complete and from my experience was pretty buggy and wouldn't properly maintain my groups between sessions sometimes. Honestly web browsers have been in a steady decline for me ever since FF34~ish with the exception of better modern CSS/JS support. They kill features and functionality I use extensively and rarely provide any alternatives. Few of my browser extensions even work since FF killed off all old addons. It forced me to use Chrome and now Chrome is looking like they'll be killing off a good number of extensions I use in the near future. Can't have a browser for power-users because power-users don't make up enough market share. sigh
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  > until that functionality was ripped out and put into a shitty, poorly maintained, broken add-on. Since you didn't quite say it explicitly: The real insult was that they factored it out into an extension, and then promptly broke the extension by ripping out the API surface it needed.
  - Nadya 5y ago
    I didn't say it explicitly because I never bothered digging deeply into why it became so terrible - after being burned enough times by FF during that time period I decided to bite the bullet and switch over to Chrome since at my experience was at least more stable/had less breakage every update. Ironically enough it seems Chrome may be pushing some Extension API changes that will break things and force me to go back to Firefox. It's gotten to a point where I'd gladly use an old, insecure browser with features I like that enables a workflow I'm comfortable with than being force to use a more secure browser with all the features gutted or gimped. But I can't even do that because then every other site refuses to serve me content unless I update my browser to a supported version.
- coffeeling 5y ago
  Tab groups is a big reason I moved to Brave. The stock tab group implementation is excellent, and they have a scrollable tab bar now too. Edge probably has it best with vertical tabs and that Chromium-native tab group setup.
brynjolf 5y ago
Window management is still horrible in Firefox, meaning if I want to close all Hacker news tabs in all open windows no add on seems to handle it properly. Chrome has added built in search of tabs across windows though, would love the same for Firefox

WorldMaker 5y ago

Yeah, I'm fine with them taking up more vertical space, but it's the reduction in horizontal space that most hurts usability, especially with more icons that show up now next to the favicons, further reducing available space. It's still better/preferable than Chromium/Chrome's awful shrinking tabs horizontally down all the way to just favicons when you have a lot of tabs, but it's getting close to feeling that cramped. (I also though have moved a lot of my day-to-day tab switching to Tree Style Tabs, though. I'd probably be angrier if I was already using an add-on like that.)

efraim 5y ago

You can use ctrl-tab to switch between tabs and it shows a thumbnail of each page.

akho 5y ago
Does not show thumbnails to me. I'm aware of ctrl-[shift]-tab. It is too slow if you have more than a few.
- kaza_ 5y ago
  It shows thumbnails if you have enabled "Ctrl+Tab cycles through tabs in recently used order" in settings
  - akho 5y ago
    Huh. I'm not sure I want to know the logic here. Thanks.