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I pasted the relevant claims in my comment, but point taken. Do you find Aaron Maté more credible? https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/20/reuters-bbc-uk-foreign-o

by comice 5y ago

I pasted the relevant claims in my comment, but point taken. Do you find Aaron Maté more credible? https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/20/reuters-bbc-uk-foreign-office-russian-media/ https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/20/reuters-bbc-uk-foreign-of... https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/24/author-bellingcat-opcw-whistleblower/ https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/24/author-bellingcat-opcw-wh...

tablespoon 5y ago
> Do you find Aaron Maté more credible? The Grayzone is banned from Wikipedia because "there is consensus that The Grayzone publishes false or fabricated information." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#The_Grayzone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per...). And pursuing the first link, I could also spot a couple of sloppy mistakes (text description showing a sloppy misreading of their document screenshot). So is he more credible than that website you posted earlier? Probably, but only because that website is such a garbage fire. Does that mean he is actually credible? Not so much.
- comice 5y ago
  Wikipedia class the greyzone as Max Blumenthal's blog but one of the articles I posted is by Aaron Maté. I find him consistently honest and thorough - I don't know much about Max Blumenthal. I'm curious what your assessment of bellingcat as a source is? Surely it cannot stand up to your scrutiny.
- whydoibother 5y ago
  The Wikipedia discussion is embarrassing to read. They cry about Blumenthal being on Russian media, while citing the nytimes and wapo without any sense of irony. They link to a SPLC piece by Alexander Reid Ross, a known hack and 'anarchist' that collaborates with people in the IC. No one actually has a serious argument against the site, and goes off on the delusional russian influence conspiracy. As far as what you said, why not address the real concerns brought up by Mate and how the OPCW covered up their investigative results about the Syrian 'chemical attacks'. They provide great evidence, and all you -- and it seems others -- can come back with is 'oh they overstated something that cant be definitively proven' or 'sloppy editing' or (lol) 'russian propaganda'.

by comice 5y ago

tablespoon 5y ago

> Do you find Aaron Maté more credible? The Grayzone is banned from Wikipedia because "there is consensus that The Grayzone publishes false or fabricated information." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#The_Grayzone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per...). And pursuing the first link, I could also spot a couple of sloppy mistakes (text description showing a sloppy misreading of their document screenshot). So is he more credible than that website you posted earlier? Probably, but only because that website is such a garbage fire. Does that mean he is actually credible? Not so much.

comice 5y ago
Wikipedia class the greyzone as Max Blumenthal's blog but one of the articles I posted is by Aaron Maté. I find him consistently honest and thorough - I don't know much about Max Blumenthal. I'm curious what your assessment of bellingcat as a source is? Surely it cannot stand up to your scrutiny.
whydoibother 5y ago
The Wikipedia discussion is embarrassing to read. They cry about Blumenthal being on Russian media, while citing the nytimes and wapo without any sense of irony. They link to a SPLC piece by Alexander Reid Ross, a known hack and 'anarchist' that collaborates with people in the IC. No one actually has a serious argument against the site, and goes off on the delusional russian influence conspiracy. As far as what you said, why not address the real concerns brought up by Mate and how the OPCW covered up their investigative results about the Syrian 'chemical attacks'. They provide great evidence, and all you -- and it seems others -- can come back with is 'oh they overstated something that cant be definitively proven' or 'sloppy editing' or (lol) 'russian propaganda'.