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All the major side effects I've heard of have been very small in scope, i.e. the chance of a healthy person developing one of the dangerous side effects is extr
by OzyM 5y ago
All the major side effects I've heard of have been very small in scope, i.e. the chance of a healthy person developing one of the dangerous side effects is extremely small, and certainly orders of magnitude smaller than their chance of proportionally damaging side-effects from the disease itself. As every vaccine currently developed has a small side-effect risk, this seems reasonable, unless you have a major piece of data I'm missing.
As far as I can tell, any variables about the vaccines seem extremely safe compared to the unknown variables incurred by those with symptomatic infections.
I agree that people in high risk categories who can be vaccinated should do so. However, the vaccine is only mostly effective, not 100% effective, so to some extent their health is still influenced by the health of those around them.
As far as social pressure, pushing (but not forcing) people toward decisions that benefit everyone seems like the entire point of social pressure. People should be given all of the relevant information and should be free to make their own medical decisions. However, there should be some expectation that one tries not to spread deadly diseases to vulnerable populations, and schools / businesses / etc. should absolutely feel free to require vaccination (of those capable of being vaccinated).
But re: your other comment about wearing a mask, if you're one of the rare people who won't be vaccinated but still keep your mask on in all public places, wash your hands frequently, and stay 6 feet apart from everyone not in your household, you not getting vaccinated isn't a major concern. But the people who use these justifications (disclaimer: anecdata) aren't usually taking those precautions.
- bamboozled 5y agoYou’re doing it again, just stop, it’s not your job to convince people :) “It’s ok to make a choice, but here’s the consequences asshole” It’s exactly what I’m opposed too. Don’t pretend before corona virus you isolated yourself from everyone incase you gave them the flu or norovirus either. Because it’s the same thing now. If an elderly person is vaccinated, and the vaccine is 95% effective, they’d have less chance of dying from coming in contact with an unvaccinated person than from someone with a bad flu. It’s sad but we also have to remember that old people are more likely to die from a lot of things.
- OzyM 5y ago> You’re doing it again, just stop, it’s not your job to convince people :) > “It’s ok to make a choice, but here’s the consequences asshole” > It’s exactly what I’m opposed too. You're opposed to... people pointing out the consequences of your actions? Social pressure to protect the well-being of others? I got all vaccinations and took basic safety precautions (washing hands regularly during flu season, etc) pre-COVID. I have always balanced the health of others with pragmatic limitations on my ability to take precautions. Now is no different; there's just extra weight on the "caution" side of the scale while a novel and dangerous pathogen spread around. I will continue to take as many precautions as are practical and necessary given world events. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. But I don't see how it's unfair to have a social standard of caring for others.
- bamboozled 5y agoI'm opposed to people guilt tripping me by saying I'll be responsible for spreading deadly diseases and killing old people because I want to wait for more more long term studies to be done on the vaccines before injecting them into my otherwise healthy body. Not to mention, I can still spread the disease anyway if I have the Pfizer or similar vaccine.