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This guy is not the creator of mRNA vaccines, he’s just a guy who did something slightly related with mRNA forty years ago, and is now trying to ride the wave t

This guy is not the creator of mRNA vaccines, he’s just a guy who did something slightly related with mRNA forty years ago, and is now trying to ride the wave to money. I think it’s fair to say the vaccine was rushed, but that’s because we have been having the second largest pandemic of the century. More Americans are dead from this than died in WW2. I didn’t downvote you. I do wish we had a longer trial period, and I don’t like taking something that hasn’t been through the full duration trials. Here is what convinced me: - we now have more than a billion vaccinations done globally, with no mass surge of negative side effects. - virtually every politician in every party has gotten vaccinated. Including most of the people telling you not to get vaccinated. - the vaccine produces way fewer antibody targets than the actual virus, so I would expect that if there was a long term negative effect from the spike produced by the vaccine, we would get that or worse from the virus. - the virus is really contagious and seems to be mutating toward being more contagious over time. - thus, you’re probably going to get it, which means one way or the other you’re probably going to make a lot of antibodies to spike protein no matter how you slice it.

bamboozled 5y ago
Don’t attack people, it just weakens your comment. You’ve not really added anything useful to the discussion unfortunately. Saying someone speaks to right wing people means nothing to me.
- bigcorp-slave 5y ago
  There’s nothing in there that’s an attack, but wow, you are an asshole. There is a good faith engagement and persuasion in there, and you respond with this? Fuck off, you’re what’s wrong with society.
  - bamboozled 5y ago
    > This guy is not the creator of mRNA vaccines, he’s just a guy who did something slightly related with mRNA forty years ago, and is now trying to ride the wave to money. He seems to give plenty of time to people who don't seem to have any money to offer. I don't know what evidence you have to support any of your claims. For all you know he is a really good, concerned person, why assassinate someone's character like that? If one can't attack the arguments, it's easier to attack the person I guess?
    - bigcorp-slave 5y ago
      Just Google his name. You are using polite words, but not engaging in good faith. It’s not worth wasting my time further with you. I guess I should have checked your history to see that you’re a dedicated vaccine denialist.
petre 5y ago
> the vaccine produces way fewer antibody targets than the actual virus This is not necessarily true. It depends. People in my family who took the vaccine and had visible side efects (headaches, fever) for a day or two have more antibodies than other acquaintances who got hospitalized with the disease.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  Higher antibody levels and more antibody targets aren't the same thing. The mRNA vaccines cause one protein from the virus to be present, so you get antibodies against that specific protein. More traditional vaccines use dead/weakened virus, which will trigger production of antibodies against multiple parts of the virus.

bamboozled 5y ago

Don’t attack people, it just weakens your comment. You’ve not really added anything useful to the discussion unfortunately. Saying someone speaks to right wing people means nothing to me.

bigcorp-slave 5y ago
There’s nothing in there that’s an attack, but wow, you are an asshole. There is a good faith engagement and persuasion in there, and you respond with this? Fuck off, you’re what’s wrong with society.
- bamboozled 5y ago
  > This guy is not the creator of mRNA vaccines, he’s just a guy who did something slightly related with mRNA forty years ago, and is now trying to ride the wave to money. He seems to give plenty of time to people who don't seem to have any money to offer. I don't know what evidence you have to support any of your claims. For all you know he is a really good, concerned person, why assassinate someone's character like that? If one can't attack the arguments, it's easier to attack the person I guess?
  - bigcorp-slave 5y ago
    Just Google his name. You are using polite words, but not engaging in good faith. It’s not worth wasting my time further with you. I guess I should have checked your history to see that you’re a dedicated vaccine denialist.

petre 5y ago

> the vaccine produces way fewer antibody targets than the actual virus This is not necessarily true. It depends. People in my family who took the vaccine and had visible side efects (headaches, fever) for a day or two have more antibodies than other acquaintances who got hospitalized with the disease.

ceejayoz 5y ago
Higher antibody levels and more antibody targets aren't the same thing. The mRNA vaccines cause one protein from the virus to be present, so you get antibodies against that specific protein. More traditional vaccines use dead/weakened virus, which will trigger production of antibodies against multiple parts of the virus.