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This is not the case. The US CDC is heavily backlogged and reports of vaccine injuries aren't being processed in a timely manner, so we don't actually know how

This is not the case. The US CDC is heavily backlogged and reports of vaccine injuries aren't being processed in a timely manner, so we don't actually know how many people are being injured by them. We only know lower bounds. If you look at VAERS then it's clear that this is by multiple orders of magnitude the most dangerous vaccine ever deployed. https://swprs.org/us-vaccine-deaths-increasing-rapidly/ https://swprs.org/us-vaccine-deaths-increasing-rapidly/ "The latest weekly US VAERS update added a shocking 2,083 post-vaccination deaths – by far the largest weekly increase to date – raising the total of reported post-vaccination deaths to 9,048. Not all of these 2,083 deaths occurred within a week, as there is a very significant reporting backlog. In total, close to 1,000 post-vaccination miscarriages, more than 3,000 heart attacks, about 7,500 disabilities, close to 20,000 severe allergic reactions, and close to 1,000 cases of heart muscle inflammation in people under 25 have already been reported to VAERS."

zimpenfish 5y ago
> raising the total of reported post-vaccination deaths to 9,048 Even if all those deaths were directly attributable to the vaccine (and that is unlikely), the US has vaccinated 159M people - that's 0.0057% or 99.9943% safe. If you want to include all the illnesses as well to bring it up to 41,500 incidents, that's still only 0.026% or 99.974% safe. For what is almost certainly the single biggest vaccination project in human history, with more scrutiny than any other mass medical intervention, those are pretty damn good numbers.
- native_samples 5y ago
  You're ignoring the clear evidence of large scale under-reporting. But there's a deeper problem. Those are not good numbers because they are drastically higher than would be expected for a vaccine. A big part of the argument for getting vaccinated is that vaccines in general are "perfectly safe" and in particular that the vaccine is much safer than actually getting COVID. What this data shows is that these vaccines don't meet expectations established by prior campaigns, and that actually we have no real idea whatsoever of how dangerous they are, especially in the young. Consider that US all cause mortality for the under 65s is still seriously above the expected baseline despite that COVID deaths have dropped to nearly zero. Something is raising mortality, and according to the largest virus surveillance programme in history combined with the laxest classification process imaginable, it isn't COVID.
  - zimpenfish 5y ago
    > vaccines in general are "perfectly safe" I don't think anyone has ever said that, have they? They've said things like "vaccines are pretty safe" and "the risk of something going wrong is tiny compared with the risk of being unvaccinated", sure, but I doubt any medical professional has said "perfectly safe"? > Those are not good numbers because they are drastically higher than would be expected for a vaccine. Probably the smallpox vaccination program is the only one even vaguely comparable in size to this and, yeah, that had many fewer deaths (68 in the US in 10 years, I think, but I couldn't find out how many vaccinations were actually done.) But then smallpox is a much easier thing to a) spot, b) treat, c) isolate people from, and d) create a vaccine for. > Consider that US all cause mortality for the under 65s is still seriously above the expected baseline Do you have a URL for that?
    - native_samples 5y ago
      The world is a big place my friend. Here's the British Society for Immunology saying it: [1] "These vaccines are perfectly safe and are extremely effective at preventing serious illness from these infectious diseases" Pennsylvanian officials: [2] "PA (WBNG) -- Despite natural concern and curiosity over the coronavirus vaccine, Pennsylvania officials held a scientific panel Thursday to explain the vaccines are perfectly safe, even for children." A professor advising the UK government via the primary COVID vaccination committee: [3] "There is the concern that what’s happening in Europe might make people in the UK less confident in the AstraZeneca vaccine, unnecessarily so, because it’s perfectly safe" Maybe you don't consider an academic to be a medical professional, so here's a doctor in San Diego saying the same thing: [4] "“There’s no reason to think that a 16-year-old or 17-year-old is going to have a reaction that an 18-year-old is going to have. I think it’s perfectly safe,” Sawyer told ABC 10News." Re: mortality. Go to https://www.usmortality.com/ https://www.usmortality.com/ and click the 25-44 and 45-64 age check boxes, the graphs will then appear. [1] https://www.immunology.org/celebrate-vaccines/public-engagement/guide-childhood-vaccinations/common-questions https://www.immunology.org/celebrate-vaccines/public-engagem... [2] https://wbng.com/2021/06/17/pa-officials-insist-vaccine-is-safe-for-children-continue-to-encourage-vaccination/ https://wbng.com/2021/06/17/pa-officials-insist-vaccine-is-s... [3] https://inews.co.uk/news/health/oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-safe-and-effective-european-medicines-regulator-concludes-919370 https://inews.co.uk/news/health/oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-s... [4] https://www.10news.com/news/coronavirus/san-diego-doctor-says-covid-19-vaccine-is-perfectly-safe https://www.10news.com/news/coronavirus/san-diego-doctor-say...

zimpenfish 5y ago

> raising the total of reported post-vaccination deaths to 9,048 Even if all those deaths were directly attributable to the vaccine (and that is unlikely), the US has vaccinated 159M people - that's 0.0057% or 99.9943% safe. If you want to include all the illnesses as well to bring it up to 41,500 incidents, that's still only 0.026% or 99.974% safe. For what is almost certainly the single biggest vaccination project in human history, with more scrutiny than any other mass medical intervention, those are pretty damn good numbers.

native_samples 5y ago
You're ignoring the clear evidence of large scale under-reporting. But there's a deeper problem. Those are not good numbers because they are drastically higher than would be expected for a vaccine. A big part of the argument for getting vaccinated is that vaccines in general are "perfectly safe" and in particular that the vaccine is much safer than actually getting COVID. What this data shows is that these vaccines don't meet expectations established by prior campaigns, and that actually we have no real idea whatsoever of how dangerous they are, especially in the young. Consider that US all cause mortality for the under 65s is still seriously above the expected baseline despite that COVID deaths have dropped to nearly zero. Something is raising mortality, and according to the largest virus surveillance programme in history combined with the laxest classification process imaginable, it isn't COVID.
- zimpenfish 5y ago
  > vaccines in general are "perfectly safe" I don't think anyone has ever said that, have they? They've said things like "vaccines are pretty safe" and "the risk of something going wrong is tiny compared with the risk of being unvaccinated", sure, but I doubt any medical professional has said "perfectly safe"? > Those are not good numbers because they are drastically higher than would be expected for a vaccine. Probably the smallpox vaccination program is the only one even vaguely comparable in size to this and, yeah, that had many fewer deaths (68 in the US in 10 years, I think, but I couldn't find out how many vaccinations were actually done.) But then smallpox is a much easier thing to a) spot, b) treat, c) isolate people from, and d) create a vaccine for. > Consider that US all cause mortality for the under 65s is still seriously above the expected baseline Do you have a URL for that?
  - native_samples 5y ago
    The world is a big place my friend. Here's the British Society for Immunology saying it: [1] "These vaccines are perfectly safe and are extremely effective at preventing serious illness from these infectious diseases" Pennsylvanian officials: [2] "PA (WBNG) -- Despite natural concern and curiosity over the coronavirus vaccine, Pennsylvania officials held a scientific panel Thursday to explain the vaccines are perfectly safe, even for children." A professor advising the UK government via the primary COVID vaccination committee: [3] "There is the concern that what’s happening in Europe might make people in the UK less confident in the AstraZeneca vaccine, unnecessarily so, because it’s perfectly safe" Maybe you don't consider an academic to be a medical professional, so here's a doctor in San Diego saying the same thing: [4] "“There’s no reason to think that a 16-year-old or 17-year-old is going to have a reaction that an 18-year-old is going to have. I think it’s perfectly safe,” Sawyer told ABC 10News." Re: mortality. Go to https://www.usmortality.com/ https://www.usmortality.com/ and click the 25-44 and 45-64 age check boxes, the graphs will then appear. [1] https://www.immunology.org/celebrate-vaccines/public-engagement/guide-childhood-vaccinations/common-questions https://www.immunology.org/celebrate-vaccines/public-engagem... [2] https://wbng.com/2021/06/17/pa-officials-insist-vaccine-is-safe-for-children-continue-to-encourage-vaccination/ https://wbng.com/2021/06/17/pa-officials-insist-vaccine-is-s... [3] https://inews.co.uk/news/health/oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-safe-and-effective-european-medicines-regulator-concludes-919370 https://inews.co.uk/news/health/oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-s... [4] https://www.10news.com/news/coronavirus/san-diego-doctor-says-covid-19-vaccine-is-perfectly-safe https://www.10news.com/news/coronavirus/san-diego-doctor-say...