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How does it apply in this case? The "truelesbians" subreddit wanted a place where biological females could discuss lesbian issues with biological females. This

How does it apply in this case? The "truelesbians" subreddit wanted a place where biological females could discuss lesbian issues with biological females. This was not allowed by Reddit. The "lesbians" subreddit is a place where exclusively biological females are portrayed in sexually stimulating activity with each other (mostly for male subscribers to ejaculate to). This is allowed by Reddit. Both of these involve discrimination against so-called 'male lesbians'. The difference seems to be that the male gaze is of more importance to Reddit than female speech.

rozab 5y ago
How many throways do you get through each day? Can you go attempt to fan the flames of culture war somewhere else?
- fffffffg 5y ago
  Will do, bye.
orra 5y ago
Please. /r/truelesbians was banned for being transphobic. Meanwhile, /r/actuallesbians continues unhindered, cause it's not transphobic. > 'male lesbians'. Nice dog whistle.
- ffffffg 5y ago
  Homosexuality is, by its very definition, same-sex attraction, not same-gender attraction. Aside from Reddit's double standard when it comes to subreddit bans, the fact that some people wanting to discuss their attraction to a particular sex is considered 'transphobic', is the wider problem here. It's not right that actual lesbians are getting harangued and then banned for not being interested in 'girldick' or whatever nonsense. > Nice dog whistle. Not really, just biological reality. People can't actually change their sex (only their gender expression), so 'male lesbian' is a statement of self-contradiction.
  - SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
    Why are you bringing your personal vendettas onto another platform with a new account? I’m genuinely confused and I’m unsure what you hope to achieve in contributing in this manner. I’m sympathetic that you’re passionate about this subject but I don’t understand the benefit to the rest of the HN community.
  - jacoblambda 5y ago
    > Not really, just biological reality. People can't actually change their sex (only their gender expression), so 'male lesbian' is a statement of self-contradiction. This is where you are mistaken. You can change your sex with a sex reassignment surgery. While gender is identity based, sex is defined via the phenotypes (physical characteristics). If you make the alterations necessary to match the physical characteristics of a certain sex, you become that sex for all intents and purposes. You may have different chromosomes than what is standard for that sex but by no means does that mean you aren't that sex. There are plenty of women who are born female, grow up female, present female, and identify as female who find out down the line that they have a Y chromosome. The same goes the other way with men who discover they have 2 X chromosomes. I mean hell while not the exact same circumstance, something like 1 in 2500 males are discovered to have a karyotype of 47,XXY with the actual predicted prevalence (due to low rates of identification) being closer to 1 in 1000 or 1 in 500. The previously mentioned circumstances are of course less common than this (closer to 1 in 20000 or 1 in 80000) but in the context of the global population that is still a significant number. My point being that sex is a lot fuzzier than most people realise and the only viable way of defining it is via phenotypes, which can of course be changed with medications and surgery. Defining by karyotype causes the entire definition system to break down because while chromosomes are of course important in determining your sex, they ultimately don't define it and there are so many other biological factors that play into you ending up whatever sex you are. And this isn't a "feel good" inclusive answer, this is just the scientific/medical reality because karyotypic/genetic sex just isn't a useful definition compared to phentotypic/physical sex. --- TLDR: It's not biological reality. Biological reality is that your sex is defined by your physical characteristics and while your chromosomes play a part in deciding which characteristics you develop, they don't provide a clean or consistent determination. If you sufficiently adapt your physical characteristics, for all intents and purposes both medically and otherwise, you are the sex your characteristics match.
criley2 5y ago
You've been rightfully needled for trying to start a culture flame war, but to heap on here, I want to specifically call out your virtue signaling claim that reddit cares more about the male gaze than female speech (speech you yourself care so much about that you misgender intentionally): Reddit removed all pornographic subreddits from /r/all. If you go to /r/all now, all porn subreddits are gone. You can still see the very rare NSFW post from a non-NSFW community, but for all intents and purposes all pornography has been removed from all public channels. So much for reddits dedication to the male gaze!
- ffffffg 5y ago
  There's a significant difference between removing a subreddits from /r/all and banning it from the site. Besides, you can go to /r/randomnsfw and pretty much only see pornographic subreddits. Or search for them on the subreddits search. They've not gone anywhere, and are still well catered to by the administration.
  - criley2 5y ago
    You're being disingenuous. It's a massive move that will dramatically lower the traffic to the subreddits, and was also done to the far-right supremacist and abuse subreddits before they were finally closed. It's the largest "anti-male-gaze" move possible without total sitewide banning. But you set yourself a trap with the "well catered to by the administration" because you've defined this situation such that "catered to" is the equivalent of "done literally everything but gone nuclear with a full ban". So now I can easily point to the continued existence of outright neo-nazism, white supremacy, civil war idealism, violent right-wing rhetoric, terrorism support, and other radical examples of "normal conservative dialogue" on reddit and easily claim that neo-nazis terrorists are "well catered to by the administration" by virtue of the fact that they exist at all and are not banned.
    - fffffffg 5y ago
      If you search for a quarantined subreddit (i.e. one that is actually a step away from being banned) on the subreddit search, it won't show in the results. If you search for a NSFW subreddit, it will show in the results. Porn subreddits are easily discoverable, and not even close to being banned. (Try it yourself: https://old.reddit.com/subreddits/search?q=asshole&include_over_18=on https://old.reddit.com/subreddits/search?q=asshole&include_o... versus https://old.reddit.com/subreddits/search?q=911truth&include_over_18=on https://old.reddit.com/subreddits/search?q=911truth&include_... - you'll see it's not possible to find /r/911truth in the latter search.)
skinnymuch 5y ago
Male lesbian? I unfortunately understand what you’re saying. It’s also very obvious that using such a silly phrase is intentional. The bias and possible bigotry is showing.

rozab 5y ago

How many throways do you get through each day? Can you go attempt to fan the flames of culture war somewhere else?

fffffffg 5y ago
Will do, bye.

orra 5y ago

Please. /r/truelesbians was banned for being transphobic. Meanwhile, /r/actuallesbians continues unhindered, cause it's not transphobic. > 'male lesbians'. Nice dog whistle.

ffffffg 5y ago
Homosexuality is, by its very definition, same-sex attraction, not same-gender attraction. Aside from Reddit's double standard when it comes to subreddit bans, the fact that some people wanting to discuss their attraction to a particular sex is considered 'transphobic', is the wider problem here. It's not right that actual lesbians are getting harangued and then banned for not being interested in 'girldick' or whatever nonsense. > Nice dog whistle. Not really, just biological reality. People can't actually change their sex (only their gender expression), so 'male lesbian' is a statement of self-contradiction.
- SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
  Why are you bringing your personal vendettas onto another platform with a new account? I’m genuinely confused and I’m unsure what you hope to achieve in contributing in this manner. I’m sympathetic that you’re passionate about this subject but I don’t understand the benefit to the rest of the HN community.
- jacoblambda 5y ago
  > Not really, just biological reality. People can't actually change their sex (only their gender expression), so 'male lesbian' is a statement of self-contradiction. This is where you are mistaken. You can change your sex with a sex reassignment surgery. While gender is identity based, sex is defined via the phenotypes (physical characteristics). If you make the alterations necessary to match the physical characteristics of a certain sex, you become that sex for all intents and purposes. You may have different chromosomes than what is standard for that sex but by no means does that mean you aren't that sex. There are plenty of women who are born female, grow up female, present female, and identify as female who find out down the line that they have a Y chromosome. The same goes the other way with men who discover they have 2 X chromosomes. I mean hell while not the exact same circumstance, something like 1 in 2500 males are discovered to have a karyotype of 47,XXY with the actual predicted prevalence (due to low rates of identification) being closer to 1 in 1000 or 1 in 500. The previously mentioned circumstances are of course less common than this (closer to 1 in 20000 or 1 in 80000) but in the context of the global population that is still a significant number. My point being that sex is a lot fuzzier than most people realise and the only viable way of defining it is via phenotypes, which can of course be changed with medications and surgery. Defining by karyotype causes the entire definition system to break down because while chromosomes are of course important in determining your sex, they ultimately don't define it and there are so many other biological factors that play into you ending up whatever sex you are. And this isn't a "feel good" inclusive answer, this is just the scientific/medical reality because karyotypic/genetic sex just isn't a useful definition compared to phentotypic/physical sex. --- TLDR: It's not biological reality. Biological reality is that your sex is defined by your physical characteristics and while your chromosomes play a part in deciding which characteristics you develop, they don't provide a clean or consistent determination. If you sufficiently adapt your physical characteristics, for all intents and purposes both medically and otherwise, you are the sex your characteristics match.

criley2 5y ago

You've been rightfully needled for trying to start a culture flame war, but to heap on here, I want to specifically call out your virtue signaling claim that reddit cares more about the male gaze than female speech (speech you yourself care so much about that you misgender intentionally): Reddit removed all pornographic subreddits from /r/all. If you go to /r/all now, all porn subreddits are gone. You can still see the very rare NSFW post from a non-NSFW community, but for all intents and purposes all pornography has been removed from all public channels. So much for reddits dedication to the male gaze!

ffffffg 5y ago
There's a significant difference between removing a subreddits from /r/all and banning it from the site. Besides, you can go to /r/randomnsfw and pretty much only see pornographic subreddits. Or search for them on the subreddits search. They've not gone anywhere, and are still well catered to by the administration.
- criley2 5y ago
  You're being disingenuous. It's a massive move that will dramatically lower the traffic to the subreddits, and was also done to the far-right supremacist and abuse subreddits before they were finally closed. It's the largest "anti-male-gaze" move possible without total sitewide banning. But you set yourself a trap with the "well catered to by the administration" because you've defined this situation such that "catered to" is the equivalent of "done literally everything but gone nuclear with a full ban". So now I can easily point to the continued existence of outright neo-nazism, white supremacy, civil war idealism, violent right-wing rhetoric, terrorism support, and other radical examples of "normal conservative dialogue" on reddit and easily claim that neo-nazis terrorists are "well catered to by the administration" by virtue of the fact that they exist at all and are not banned.
  - fffffffg 5y ago
    If you search for a quarantined subreddit (i.e. one that is actually a step away from being banned) on the subreddit search, it won't show in the results. If you search for a NSFW subreddit, it will show in the results. Porn subreddits are easily discoverable, and not even close to being banned. (Try it yourself: https://old.reddit.com/subreddits/search?q=asshole&include_over_18=on https://old.reddit.com/subreddits/search?q=asshole&include_o... versus https://old.reddit.com/subreddits/search?q=911truth&include_over_18=on https://old.reddit.com/subreddits/search?q=911truth&include_... - you'll see it's not possible to find /r/911truth in the latter search.)

skinnymuch 5y ago

Male lesbian? I unfortunately understand what you’re saying. It’s also very obvious that using such a silly phrase is intentional. The bias and possible bigotry is showing.