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> how teenage boys get enlarged heart from it https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/17/1007447098/pfizer-covid-vaccine-teens-symptoms-myocarditis?t

> how teenage boys get enlarged heart from it https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/17/1007447098/pfizer-covid-vaccine-teens-symptoms-myocarditis?t=1626171677814 https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/17/1007447... " 7 million U.S. teens and preteens (ages 12 through 17) had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine" [...] "more than 300 cases of heart inflammation have been documented [...] mostly in teens and young adults between 12 and 39 years old" Assuming every single one of those 400 (rounding up) cases was between 12 and 17, that's 400 out of 7 million or 0.0057%. "The rate seen after these vaccines is slightly higher than the "background" rate. [...] Many of the events reported turn out to be coincidental — not caused by a vaccine." Which could well mean that only a handful of these cases are actually down to the vaccine, no? And it's not even that drastic a problem; mainly just scary - "In a case study of seven teenagers who got myocarditis following vaccination published last week in the journal Pediatrics, all seven got better after routine treatment with anti-inflammatory drugs." [edit: forgot to round one of my 300s up to 400]

johnisgood 5y ago
My source of skepticism on such reports is my own Government that makes people lie about the COVID-19 cases (we have more reported than actual) because it funds our hospitals and our Government in general. We have a huge history of taking EU money in such a way, and it is pretty much incentivized. Our president told us a few months ago that COVID-19 will go away during summer (tourism), and will return in September. We are also going to produce our own vaccines, so they will be trash-talking others when it is done (again, we (or they) have done such things often).
native_samples 5y ago
This is not the case. The US CDC is heavily backlogged and reports of vaccine injuries aren't being processed in a timely manner, so we don't actually know how many people are being injured by them. We only know lower bounds. If you look at VAERS then it's clear that this is by multiple orders of magnitude the most dangerous vaccine ever deployed. https://swprs.org/us-vaccine-deaths-increasing-rapidly/ https://swprs.org/us-vaccine-deaths-increasing-rapidly/ "The latest weekly US VAERS update added a shocking 2,083 post-vaccination deaths – by far the largest weekly increase to date – raising the total of reported post-vaccination deaths to 9,048. Not all of these 2,083 deaths occurred within a week, as there is a very significant reporting backlog. In total, close to 1,000 post-vaccination miscarriages, more than 3,000 heart attacks, about 7,500 disabilities, close to 20,000 severe allergic reactions, and close to 1,000 cases of heart muscle inflammation in people under 25 have already been reported to VAERS."
- zimpenfish 5y ago
  > raising the total of reported post-vaccination deaths to 9,048 Even if all those deaths were directly attributable to the vaccine (and that is unlikely), the US has vaccinated 159M people - that's 0.0057% or 99.9943% safe. If you want to include all the illnesses as well to bring it up to 41,500 incidents, that's still only 0.026% or 99.974% safe. For what is almost certainly the single biggest vaccination project in human history, with more scrutiny than any other mass medical intervention, those are pretty damn good numbers.
  - native_samples 5y ago
    You're ignoring the clear evidence of large scale under-reporting. But there's a deeper problem. Those are not good numbers because they are drastically higher than would be expected for a vaccine. A big part of the argument for getting vaccinated is that vaccines in general are "perfectly safe" and in particular that the vaccine is much safer than actually getting COVID. What this data shows is that these vaccines don't meet expectations established by prior campaigns, and that actually we have no real idea whatsoever of how dangerous they are, especially in the young. Consider that US all cause mortality for the under 65s is still seriously above the expected baseline despite that COVID deaths have dropped to nearly zero. Something is raising mortality, and according to the largest virus surveillance programme in history combined with the laxest classification process imaginable, it isn't COVID.
    - zimpenfish 5y ago
      > vaccines in general are "perfectly safe" I don't think anyone has ever said that, have they? They've said things like "vaccines are pretty safe" and "the risk of something going wrong is tiny compared with the risk of being unvaccinated", sure, but I doubt any medical professional has said "perfectly safe"? > Those are not good numbers because they are drastically higher than would be expected for a vaccine. Probably the smallpox vaccination program is the only one even vaguely comparable in size to this and, yeah, that had many fewer deaths (68 in the US in 10 years, I think, but I couldn't find out how many vaccinations were actually done.) But then smallpox is a much easier thing to a) spot, b) treat, c) isolate people from, and d) create a vaccine for. > Consider that US all cause mortality for the under 65s is still seriously above the expected baseline Do you have a URL for that?

johnisgood 5y ago

My source of skepticism on such reports is my own Government that makes people lie about the COVID-19 cases (we have more reported than actual) because it funds our hospitals and our Government in general. We have a huge history of taking EU money in such a way, and it is pretty much incentivized. Our president told us a few months ago that COVID-19 will go away during summer (tourism), and will return in September. We are also going to produce our own vaccines, so they will be trash-talking others when it is done (again, we (or they) have done such things often).

native_samples 5y ago

This is not the case. The US CDC is heavily backlogged and reports of vaccine injuries aren't being processed in a timely manner, so we don't actually know how many people are being injured by them. We only know lower bounds. If you look at VAERS then it's clear that this is by multiple orders of magnitude the most dangerous vaccine ever deployed. https://swprs.org/us-vaccine-deaths-increasing-rapidly/ https://swprs.org/us-vaccine-deaths-increasing-rapidly/ "The latest weekly US VAERS update added a shocking 2,083 post-vaccination deaths – by far the largest weekly increase to date – raising the total of reported post-vaccination deaths to 9,048. Not all of these 2,083 deaths occurred within a week, as there is a very significant reporting backlog. In total, close to 1,000 post-vaccination miscarriages, more than 3,000 heart attacks, about 7,500 disabilities, close to 20,000 severe allergic reactions, and close to 1,000 cases of heart muscle inflammation in people under 25 have already been reported to VAERS."

zimpenfish 5y ago
> raising the total of reported post-vaccination deaths to 9,048 Even if all those deaths were directly attributable to the vaccine (and that is unlikely), the US has vaccinated 159M people - that's 0.0057% or 99.9943% safe. If you want to include all the illnesses as well to bring it up to 41,500 incidents, that's still only 0.026% or 99.974% safe. For what is almost certainly the single biggest vaccination project in human history, with more scrutiny than any other mass medical intervention, those are pretty damn good numbers.
- native_samples 5y ago
  You're ignoring the clear evidence of large scale under-reporting. But there's a deeper problem. Those are not good numbers because they are drastically higher than would be expected for a vaccine. A big part of the argument for getting vaccinated is that vaccines in general are "perfectly safe" and in particular that the vaccine is much safer than actually getting COVID. What this data shows is that these vaccines don't meet expectations established by prior campaigns, and that actually we have no real idea whatsoever of how dangerous they are, especially in the young. Consider that US all cause mortality for the under 65s is still seriously above the expected baseline despite that COVID deaths have dropped to nearly zero. Something is raising mortality, and according to the largest virus surveillance programme in history combined with the laxest classification process imaginable, it isn't COVID.
  - zimpenfish 5y ago
    > vaccines in general are "perfectly safe" I don't think anyone has ever said that, have they? They've said things like "vaccines are pretty safe" and "the risk of something going wrong is tiny compared with the risk of being unvaccinated", sure, but I doubt any medical professional has said "perfectly safe"? > Those are not good numbers because they are drastically higher than would be expected for a vaccine. Probably the smallpox vaccination program is the only one even vaguely comparable in size to this and, yeah, that had many fewer deaths (68 in the US in 10 years, I think, but I couldn't find out how many vaccinations were actually done.) But then smallpox is a much easier thing to a) spot, b) treat, c) isolate people from, and d) create a vaccine for. > Consider that US all cause mortality for the under 65s is still seriously above the expected baseline Do you have a URL for that?