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> They just started talking about how teenage boys get enlarged heart from it and so forth Inflammation/swelling of the heart, not enlarging, very rare given t

by Nursie 5y ago

> They just started talking about how teenage boys get enlarged heart from it and so forth Inflammation/swelling of the heart, not enlarging, very rare given the number of shots that have been rolled out, and people recover pretty quickly. Definitely a concern, not a showstopper. > We did not know this before either, nor did we know about the AstraZeneca's blood clots. Again, an incredibly low risk and less risk than harm from the virus. > we just simply have no idea. This is not really true, we have a ton of data from this vaccine and from previous ones that can inform our expectations.

johnisgood 5y ago
Sorry. I mean this, and this happens to children: > A CDC committee will hear about reports of 300 cases of the heart enlargement that have happened after children were vaccinated against COVID-19. The ailment is fairly common and easily treatable. The heart inflammation happens too, though. --- > Again, an incredibly low risk and less risk than harm from the virus. But that is not the point. The point is that we did not know this would be the case. Other side-effects may come up as time goes on. > This is not really true, we have a ton of data from this vaccine and from previous ones that can inform our expectations. Again, are you talking about the mRNA vaccines? I asked the question twice with regarding to it so I am not going to do it again here.
- Nursie 5y ago
  > Sorry. I mean this, and this happens to children: What source are you quoting there? I can find that line in an abc news feed, but no attribution and nothing much else about it. Every other source seems to be talking about inflammation of one sort or another (myocarditis or pericarditis), primarily in young men, very rarely and easily recoverable. > The point is that we did not know this would be the case We are learning all the time, that's true, but these side effects are very rare, and are becoming visible due to the large scale of the rollout. It doesn't fundamentally change the calculus, especially when we are now learning that the disease itself can cause lasting lung and brain damage. > I asked the question twice with regarding to it so I am not going to do it again here. See my other answers then.
  - johnisgood 5y ago
    > What source are you quoting there? I can find that line in an abc news feed, but no attribution and nothing much else about it. Every other source seems to be talking about inflammation of one sort or another (myocarditis or pericarditis), primarily in young men, very rarely and easily recoverable. I cannot find the source where I found it first, but that could be the case that they confused the two, I am not sure. Some are talking about hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. In any case, it can lead to chronically enlarged heart, which is dilated cardiomyopathy. Whatever. > We are learning all the time, that's true, but these side effects are very rare, and are becoming visible due to the large scale of the rollout. It doesn't fundamentally change the calculus, especially when we are now learning that the disease itself can cause lasting lung and brain damage. I suppose continuing discussing this is not very useful. If there are long-term side-effects, then we will know about them. If there are no long-term side-effects, same story.

by Nursie 5y ago

johnisgood 5y ago

Sorry. I mean this, and this happens to children: > A CDC committee will hear about reports of 300 cases of the heart enlargement that have happened after children were vaccinated against COVID-19. The ailment is fairly common and easily treatable. The heart inflammation happens too, though. --- > Again, an incredibly low risk and less risk than harm from the virus. But that is not the point. The point is that we did not know this would be the case. Other side-effects may come up as time goes on. > This is not really true, we have a ton of data from this vaccine and from previous ones that can inform our expectations. Again, are you talking about the mRNA vaccines? I asked the question twice with regarding to it so I am not going to do it again here.

Nursie 5y ago
> Sorry. I mean this, and this happens to children: What source are you quoting there? I can find that line in an abc news feed, but no attribution and nothing much else about it. Every other source seems to be talking about inflammation of one sort or another (myocarditis or pericarditis), primarily in young men, very rarely and easily recoverable. > The point is that we did not know this would be the case We are learning all the time, that's true, but these side effects are very rare, and are becoming visible due to the large scale of the rollout. It doesn't fundamentally change the calculus, especially when we are now learning that the disease itself can cause lasting lung and brain damage. > I asked the question twice with regarding to it so I am not going to do it again here. See my other answers then.
- johnisgood 5y ago
  > What source are you quoting there? I can find that line in an abc news feed, but no attribution and nothing much else about it. Every other source seems to be talking about inflammation of one sort or another (myocarditis or pericarditis), primarily in young men, very rarely and easily recoverable. I cannot find the source where I found it first, but that could be the case that they confused the two, I am not sure. Some are talking about hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. In any case, it can lead to chronically enlarged heart, which is dilated cardiomyopathy. Whatever. > We are learning all the time, that's true, but these side effects are very rare, and are becoming visible due to the large scale of the rollout. It doesn't fundamentally change the calculus, especially when we are now learning that the disease itself can cause lasting lung and brain damage. I suppose continuing discussing this is not very useful. If there are long-term side-effects, then we will know about them. If there are no long-term side-effects, same story.