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"Truly staggering" is 4 million dead people and maybe 61 million more who are dealing with "long-Covid" symptoms. The quotes you cited are just people being con

"Truly staggering" is 4 million dead people and maybe 61 million more who are dealing with "long-Covid" symptoms. The quotes you cited are just people being considerate of others. Sometimes doing the right thing doesn't need—or hasn't time—to be scientifically proven.

johnisgood 5y ago
There is no right thing. I can fight rhetoric with rhetoric, too. Say: "Those who are afraid can stay home, mandating a new vaccine with no long-term track record is pure evil.". I am saying this because of such statements: > From a societal standpoint, he said people who skip the vaccine could compromise the safety of others. > I hear everyone saying deciding to get vaccinated is an individual choice, but the calculus in that choice is twofold — one is to vaccinate yourself and the other is protect others. I think we have a responsibility to protect our communities. It is absolutely disgusting to appeal to emotions and shame to make me have something injected into me that has not been extensively studied and of what we have literally no clue with regarding to its long-term effects[1] especially given that I have an immunologic autoimmune disorder. In any case, what happens to those who cannot get the vaccine passport due to not being able to get the vaccine due to health reasons? Nobody seems to talk about this, or at least I am not informed on this. [1] On top of that, recent evidence seems to be piling up about their serious adverse effects that are coming to light now. I am expecting more to come.
- Nursie 5y ago
  > From a societal standpoint, he said people who skip the vaccine could compromise the safety of others. But this is a discussion of fact, not an appeal to emotions. > we have literally no clue with regarding to its long-term effects Except we have a great deal of information on the long term effects of vaccination, from studying many vaccines. It's quite wrong to say we have no idea.
  - johnisgood 5y ago
    > Except we have a great deal of information on the long term effects of vaccination, from studying many vaccines. It's quite wrong to say we have no idea. Are you talking about mRNA vaccines? How many people have gotten such a vaccine before the COVID-19 vaccines and when?
    - Nursie 5y ago
      > Are you talking about mRNA vaccines? Are you? You seemed to be talking about all vaccines. > How many people have gotten such a vaccine before the COVID-19 vaccines and when? I don't have the exact figures but if you search for human mRNA trials, they seem to go back about 10 years.
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johnisgood 5y ago

There is no right thing. I can fight rhetoric with rhetoric, too. Say: "Those who are afraid can stay home, mandating a new vaccine with no long-term track record is pure evil.". I am saying this because of such statements: > From a societal standpoint, he said people who skip the vaccine could compromise the safety of others. > I hear everyone saying deciding to get vaccinated is an individual choice, but the calculus in that choice is twofold — one is to vaccinate yourself and the other is protect others. I think we have a responsibility to protect our communities. It is absolutely disgusting to appeal to emotions and shame to make me have something injected into me that has not been extensively studied and of what we have literally no clue with regarding to its long-term effects[1] especially given that I have an immunologic autoimmune disorder. In any case, what happens to those who cannot get the vaccine passport due to not being able to get the vaccine due to health reasons? Nobody seems to talk about this, or at least I am not informed on this. [1] On top of that, recent evidence seems to be piling up about their serious adverse effects that are coming to light now. I am expecting more to come.

Nursie 5y ago
> From a societal standpoint, he said people who skip the vaccine could compromise the safety of others. But this is a discussion of fact, not an appeal to emotions. > we have literally no clue with regarding to its long-term effects Except we have a great deal of information on the long term effects of vaccination, from studying many vaccines. It's quite wrong to say we have no idea.
- johnisgood 5y ago
  > Except we have a great deal of information on the long term effects of vaccination, from studying many vaccines. It's quite wrong to say we have no idea. Are you talking about mRNA vaccines? How many people have gotten such a vaccine before the COVID-19 vaccines and when?
  - Nursie 5y ago
    > Are you talking about mRNA vaccines? Are you? You seemed to be talking about all vaccines. > How many people have gotten such a vaccine before the COVID-19 vaccines and when? I don't have the exact figures but if you search for human mRNA trials, they seem to go back about 10 years.
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