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> A Google spokesperson added: "We have acted in good faith throughout the entire process. The fine ignores our efforts to reach an agreement, and the reality o

by Y_Y 5y ago

> A Google spokesperson added: "We have acted in good faith throughout the entire process. The fine ignores our efforts to reach an agreement, and the reality of how news works on our platforms." If only everyone would just accept our reality! (Honestly I don't really believe in copyrighting news facts, but at this point it's just nice to see Google get fined.)

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jlangenauer 5y ago
Astonishing that a mere corporation thinks they have the right to negotiate with a nation-state and "come to an agreement." Would that I could negotiate having to comply with laws that affect me.
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- londons_explore 5y ago
  Plea bargains are pretty much negotiation with the state for individuals...
  - cycomanic 5y ago
    Plea bargains are in fact not a universal thing and illegal in quite a few countries.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  People and companies have a right to make representations when they’re subject to things like fines yes. So would you if you were fined.
- Google234 5y ago
  Have you heard of the legal system?
- fmajid 5y ago
  They were talking about negotiations with news publishers for revenue-sharing (i.e. legalized racketeering). I hope they don’t cave disgracefully like in Australia and just shut down Google News and remove news sites from the search index in France as they did in Belgium a few years back IIRC. I am a Frenchman and very skeptical of Google, for the record, but rent-seeking by failed businesses should not be condoned, like the copyright levy charged on data storage devices here.
  - tpush 5y ago
    > [...] just shut down Google News and remove news sites from the search index in France [...] AFAIU the French regulators decreed that Google can't not link, either [0]. It's quite a paradox: Google needs to pay to show snippets or even just linking to French (EU) news sites, but can't not show snippets/link either. [0] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/french-regulator-says-google-must-pay-news-sites-to-send-them-traffic https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/french-regulator...
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- dahfizz 5y ago
  They were ordered by the government to come to an agreement with the publishers.
Tenoke 5y ago
>(Honestly I don't really believe in copyrighting news facts, but at this point it's just nice to see Google get fined.) It's disturbing to see how people support bad practices just because they are used against Google. Do you hate Google THAT much that nothing matters if they are hurt?
- Y_Y 5y ago
  I don't hate Google at all. I don't think it would be controversial to say that they seem to have a lot of power relative to the legislatures of the countries they operate in, and it seems like they are able to skirt laws regarding e.g. anti-competitive behaviour, data protection, consumer rights. I don't like the law that they are alleged to have violated here, but I am glad to see proof that it is possible that action is taken against them if they do violate whatever laws they should operate under.
  - tpush 5y ago
    > [...] but I am glad to see proof that it is possible that action is taken against them if they do violate whatever laws they should operate under. I don't think that was ever in question?
- ecmascript 5y ago
  > Do you hate Google THAT much that nothing matters if they are hurt? Pretty much as long as it's not completely unreasonable. Bad practices are used by american mega corporations all the time, it is nice to see them get a dose of their own medicine.
- brnt 5y ago
  Google does not get to decide the judicial reality in France. Or anywhere. Maybe in the US?
- josefx 5y ago
  Copyright applies to all equally, maybe we will finally get some lobbying to change it if it hurts billion dollar companies enough. Until then they can suffer under it the same way everyone else does.
easytiger 5y ago
> (Honestly I don't really believe in copyrighting news facts, but at this point it's just nice to see Google get fined.) Insane attitude IMHO opinion. This isn't supporting a football team this is about fairness and reasonable laws.
ekianjo 5y ago
> (Honestly I don't really believe in copyrighting news facts, but at this point it's just nice to see Google get fined.) So because you don't like Google, it's OK to see them fined for just any bullshit reason?

by Y_Y 5y ago

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jlangenauer 5y ago

Astonishing that a mere corporation thinks they have the right to negotiate with a nation-state and "come to an agreement." Would that I could negotiate having to comply with laws that affect me.

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londons_explore 5y ago
Plea bargains are pretty much negotiation with the state for individuals...
- cycomanic 5y ago
  Plea bargains are in fact not a universal thing and illegal in quite a few countries.
chrisseaton 5y ago
People and companies have a right to make representations when they’re subject to things like fines yes. So would you if you were fined.
Google234 5y ago
Have you heard of the legal system?
fmajid 5y ago
They were talking about negotiations with news publishers for revenue-sharing (i.e. legalized racketeering). I hope they don’t cave disgracefully like in Australia and just shut down Google News and remove news sites from the search index in France as they did in Belgium a few years back IIRC. I am a Frenchman and very skeptical of Google, for the record, but rent-seeking by failed businesses should not be condoned, like the copyright levy charged on data storage devices here.
- tpush 5y ago
  > [...] just shut down Google News and remove news sites from the search index in France [...] AFAIU the French regulators decreed that Google can't not link, either [0]. It's quite a paradox: Google needs to pay to show snippets or even just linking to French (EU) news sites, but can't not show snippets/link either. [0] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/french-regulator-says-google-must-pay-news-sites-to-send-them-traffic https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/french-regulator...
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dahfizz 5y ago
They were ordered by the government to come to an agreement with the publishers.

Tenoke 5y ago

>(Honestly I don't really believe in copyrighting news facts, but at this point it's just nice to see Google get fined.) It's disturbing to see how people support bad practices just because they are used against Google. Do you hate Google THAT much that nothing matters if they are hurt?

Y_Y 5y ago
I don't hate Google at all. I don't think it would be controversial to say that they seem to have a lot of power relative to the legislatures of the countries they operate in, and it seems like they are able to skirt laws regarding e.g. anti-competitive behaviour, data protection, consumer rights. I don't like the law that they are alleged to have violated here, but I am glad to see proof that it is possible that action is taken against them if they do violate whatever laws they should operate under.
- tpush 5y ago
  > [...] but I am glad to see proof that it is possible that action is taken against them if they do violate whatever laws they should operate under. I don't think that was ever in question?
ecmascript 5y ago
> Do you hate Google THAT much that nothing matters if they are hurt? Pretty much as long as it's not completely unreasonable. Bad practices are used by american mega corporations all the time, it is nice to see them get a dose of their own medicine.
brnt 5y ago
Google does not get to decide the judicial reality in France. Or anywhere. Maybe in the US?
josefx 5y ago
Copyright applies to all equally, maybe we will finally get some lobbying to change it if it hurts billion dollar companies enough. Until then they can suffer under it the same way everyone else does.

easytiger 5y ago

> (Honestly I don't really believe in copyrighting news facts, but at this point it's just nice to see Google get fined.) Insane attitude IMHO opinion. This isn't supporting a football team this is about fairness and reasonable laws.

ekianjo 5y ago

> (Honestly I don't really believe in copyrighting news facts, but at this point it's just nice to see Google get fined.) So because you don't like Google, it's OK to see them fined for just any bullshit reason?