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Anyone who remembers the discrimination against people with HIV (which still exists) is obviously cautious here. WHO is against discrimination based on covid v

Anyone who remembers the discrimination against people with HIV (which still exists) is obviously cautious here. WHO is against discrimination based on covid vaccine passports. I suspect because they deal with disease based discrimination all the time. So you can be one of those people screaming at school meetings to kick out the kid with HIV in the 80's or take a step back. Perhaps it is ok to discriminate, but it's not simple. This also should not involve heath care workers, as the article mentions these laws exclude them. I would be surprised if the next best step to controlling this is to start discrimination.

jollybean 5y ago
The discrimination against people with AIDS was based on irrational fear of getting AIDS by touching or interacting with them. The discrimination against non-vaxxed people is based on the fact they are non-vaxxed and potential sources of risk. It's a little bit like discriminating against those who don't have a drivers license who want to drive a car i.e. reasonable grounds for discriminating. Obviously, it's more complicated than that. British Coloumbia (at least at some point) refused to enact discrimination policies for public serves over fears of inequity in vaccine access for example. But the nominal issues is legit: non-vaxxed people at least today, represent some kind of risk factor.
- forcry 5y ago
  >The discrimination against non-vaxxed people is based on the fact they are non-vaxxed and potential sources of risk. Poor people can be thought of a being more risky to be around, because they have low standard of living, can't afford prompt health care and so on, so there are chances that they might be carriers of contagious diseases.. So you can argue that being around poor people is riskier than being around rich people. Do you want to discriminate against them based on that? No, if you don't want to be around poor people, you are free to do that. But you should not be able to mandate that poor people must not show up in community places. >It's a little bit like discriminating against those who don't have a drivers license who want to drive a car i.e. reasonable grounds for discriminating. Driving a car is not a fundamental right. Freedom is.
  - jollybean 5y ago
    1) Being poor doesn't materially increase the risk of anything. 2) There's the issue of inequity i.e. poor people don't have access to healthcare, whereas everyone has access to vaccines. 3) Driving the car that you own seems to be more of a freedom, frankly than the ability to enter a restaurant. You have neither the right nor freedom to go on someone else's private property. COVID is real, it's a deadly virus that spreads rapidly for which we have a variety of vaccines. If a restaurant wants to keep their patrons safe and you don't want to have a vaccine, then you'll have to go to another restaurant at least for several months until COVID subsides to the point where there's little material risk to anyone. It's just the reality of the situation.
    - forcry 5y ago
      >poor people don't have access to healthcare, whereas everyone has access to vaccines. You are answering to some argument that I didn't make.
- aaron695 5y ago
  > The discrimination against people with AIDS was based on irrational fear of getting AIDS by touching or interacting with them. Sorry but this is wrong and feels like it's straight from a telemovie. It was around body fluids and how often people swapped them in practice. Could someone throw up on someones eyes. Do kids fighting swap much blood, this was addressed in 1990's Degrassi High as an unknown. https://degrassi.fandom.com/wiki/Bad_Blood_(2) https://degrassi.fandom.com/wiki/Bad_Blood_(2) Countries today discriminate on HIV, not because they are afraid of touch. "Some 59 countries, territories and areas deny the entry, stay or residence of HIV-positive people because of their HIV status only" https://www.unaids.org/sites/default/files/media_asset/jc1738_entry_denied_en_0.pdf https://www.unaids.org/sites/default/files/media_asset/jc173... People with HIV are a risk especially in countries without adequate treatments, if America wants to discriminate based on risk, there's no reason other countries can't also discriminate on risk. And if you want to do it based on intent, it opens up a Pandoras box of whether murders get blood transfusions, or hookers or junkies. It's a mess.
  - jollybean 5y ago
    In the 1980's and 1990's there was a stigma about people with AIDS and people didn't want to touch them or be near them. When Princess Diana visited some people with AIDS and literally just shook their hand - it was a huge deal. It went far beyond the hard medical issues of fluid exchange. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/av/magazine-39490507 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/magazine-39490507

jollybean 5y ago

The discrimination against people with AIDS was based on irrational fear of getting AIDS by touching or interacting with them. The discrimination against non-vaxxed people is based on the fact they are non-vaxxed and potential sources of risk. It's a little bit like discriminating against those who don't have a drivers license who want to drive a car i.e. reasonable grounds for discriminating. Obviously, it's more complicated than that. British Coloumbia (at least at some point) refused to enact discrimination policies for public serves over fears of inequity in vaccine access for example. But the nominal issues is legit: non-vaxxed people at least today, represent some kind of risk factor.

forcry 5y ago
>The discrimination against non-vaxxed people is based on the fact they are non-vaxxed and potential sources of risk. Poor people can be thought of a being more risky to be around, because they have low standard of living, can't afford prompt health care and so on, so there are chances that they might be carriers of contagious diseases.. So you can argue that being around poor people is riskier than being around rich people. Do you want to discriminate against them based on that? No, if you don't want to be around poor people, you are free to do that. But you should not be able to mandate that poor people must not show up in community places. >It's a little bit like discriminating against those who don't have a drivers license who want to drive a car i.e. reasonable grounds for discriminating. Driving a car is not a fundamental right. Freedom is.
- jollybean 5y ago
  1) Being poor doesn't materially increase the risk of anything. 2) There's the issue of inequity i.e. poor people don't have access to healthcare, whereas everyone has access to vaccines. 3) Driving the car that you own seems to be more of a freedom, frankly than the ability to enter a restaurant. You have neither the right nor freedom to go on someone else's private property. COVID is real, it's a deadly virus that spreads rapidly for which we have a variety of vaccines. If a restaurant wants to keep their patrons safe and you don't want to have a vaccine, then you'll have to go to another restaurant at least for several months until COVID subsides to the point where there's little material risk to anyone. It's just the reality of the situation.
  - forcry 5y ago
    >poor people don't have access to healthcare, whereas everyone has access to vaccines. You are answering to some argument that I didn't make.
aaron695 5y ago
> The discrimination against people with AIDS was based on irrational fear of getting AIDS by touching or interacting with them. Sorry but this is wrong and feels like it's straight from a telemovie. It was around body fluids and how often people swapped them in practice. Could someone throw up on someones eyes. Do kids fighting swap much blood, this was addressed in 1990's Degrassi High as an unknown. https://degrassi.fandom.com/wiki/Bad_Blood_(2) https://degrassi.fandom.com/wiki/Bad_Blood_(2) Countries today discriminate on HIV, not because they are afraid of touch. "Some 59 countries, territories and areas deny the entry, stay or residence of HIV-positive people because of their HIV status only" https://www.unaids.org/sites/default/files/media_asset/jc1738_entry_denied_en_0.pdf https://www.unaids.org/sites/default/files/media_asset/jc173... People with HIV are a risk especially in countries without adequate treatments, if America wants to discriminate based on risk, there's no reason other countries can't also discriminate on risk. And if you want to do it based on intent, it opens up a Pandoras box of whether murders get blood transfusions, or hookers or junkies. It's a mess.
- jollybean 5y ago
  In the 1980's and 1990's there was a stigma about people with AIDS and people didn't want to touch them or be near them. When Princess Diana visited some people with AIDS and literally just shook their hand - it was a huge deal. It went far beyond the hard medical issues of fluid exchange. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/av/magazine-39490507 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/magazine-39490507