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OpenSearch is the AWS fork of ElasticSearch prior to the license change aimed at preventing AWS from copying Elastic IP without compensation.

fastball 5y ago
> copying Elastic IP without compensation is a bit of a strange way of saying "selling ElasticSearch as a service".
- politician 5y ago
  Is it? Maybe I've been talking to too many lawyers lately.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > Maybe I've been talking to too many lawyers lately. Only to be expected, with that nick.
usr1106 5y ago
Sorry, do not follow that area. Can someone explain to the uninvolved? Who changed from which license to which? The owner of the code can of course change the license. But in typical open source projects there are 100s of contributors, so changing the license can be anything between a major job and impossible.
- google234123 5y ago
  There's been a lot of discussion on this already: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=false&query=ElasticSearch&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=fal...
- kevinbowman 5y ago
  If there’s only one owner, either through limiting the contributions or through insisting on a CLA, then that owner can do what they like moving forwards. They can’t change things retrospectively, though.
- dijit 5y ago
  AWS used ElasticSearch; but it was a big headache for Elastic the company to support because it had custom bits which integrated AWS and they used an old version; support issues came in for these versions and it was a pain to manage. (There was also a money issue here). As a result Elastic the company licensed the new versions of the elastic code with a licence AWS wouldn’t be able to use. So AWS forked the last Apache* version and continued its development in the Apache license. This is the result of that.
  - vbsteven 5y ago
    They forked the Apache version. Not GPL.
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- narism 5y ago
  Elastic requires a CLA for contributions: https://www.elastic.co/contributor-agreement https://www.elastic.co/contributor-agreement
- vbsteven 5y ago
  Elastic requires contributors to sign a CLA. Their CLA does not reassign copyright but gives Elastic a license to distribute contributed code without restrictions. [1] Elastic changed the license for Elasticsearch >7.10.2 from Apache to a more restrictive one to prevent cloud providers like AWS from providing a hosted version. [1] https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#submitting-your-changes https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/blob/master/CONTRIB...
papaf 5y ago
Whats the difference between Opensearch and the Open Distro for Elastic Search[1] provided by AWS? https://opendistro.github.io/for-elasticsearch/ https://opendistro.github.io/for-elasticsearch/
- kevinbowman 5y ago
  From the most recent news item on the link you posted: “In the coming weeks this website (https://opendistro.github.io/for-elasticsearch/ https://opendistro.github.io/for-elasticsearch/) will be selectively decommissioned and/or forwarded to the corresponding OpenSearch.org content.”
- feroz 5y ago
  Having used Open Distro for a little while, I really don't have high hopes for this project, although I would like to be proved wrong. Open Distro was largely unloved - lots of Github issues remaining untriaged, and various small but poor technical decisions. I've seen FOSS projects that don't have massive corporate backing handle their projects better. Perhaps the license change will force Amazon to put more resources into the project.
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thejosh 5y ago
How is it copying IP when it was licensed that way?
- politician 5y ago
  Elastic considers ElasticSearch to be its IP and has changed its license from Apache 2.0 to a more restrictive version to prevent AWS from monetizing it. In response, AWS forked ElasticSearch into OpenSearch at the most recent commit that was still on the Apache 2.0 license.

fastball 5y ago

> copying Elastic IP without compensation is a bit of a strange way of saying "selling ElasticSearch as a service".

politician 5y ago
Is it? Maybe I've been talking to too many lawyers lately.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > Maybe I've been talking to too many lawyers lately. Only to be expected, with that nick.

usr1106 5y ago

Sorry, do not follow that area. Can someone explain to the uninvolved? Who changed from which license to which? The owner of the code can of course change the license. But in typical open source projects there are 100s of contributors, so changing the license can be anything between a major job and impossible.

google234123 5y ago
There's been a lot of discussion on this already: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=false&query=ElasticSearch&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=fal...
kevinbowman 5y ago
If there’s only one owner, either through limiting the contributions or through insisting on a CLA, then that owner can do what they like moving forwards. They can’t change things retrospectively, though.
dijit 5y ago
AWS used ElasticSearch; but it was a big headache for Elastic the company to support because it had custom bits which integrated AWS and they used an old version; support issues came in for these versions and it was a pain to manage. (There was also a money issue here). As a result Elastic the company licensed the new versions of the elastic code with a licence AWS wouldn’t be able to use. So AWS forked the last Apache* version and continued its development in the Apache license. This is the result of that.
- vbsteven 5y ago
  They forked the Apache version. Not GPL.
- deleted 5y ago
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narism 5y ago
Elastic requires a CLA for contributions: https://www.elastic.co/contributor-agreement https://www.elastic.co/contributor-agreement
vbsteven 5y ago
Elastic requires contributors to sign a CLA. Their CLA does not reassign copyright but gives Elastic a license to distribute contributed code without restrictions. [1] Elastic changed the license for Elasticsearch >7.10.2 from Apache to a more restrictive one to prevent cloud providers like AWS from providing a hosted version. [1] https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#submitting-your-changes https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/blob/master/CONTRIB...

papaf 5y ago

Whats the difference between Opensearch and the Open Distro for Elastic Search[1] provided by AWS? https://opendistro.github.io/for-elasticsearch/ https://opendistro.github.io/for-elasticsearch/

kevinbowman 5y ago
From the most recent news item on the link you posted: “In the coming weeks this website (https://opendistro.github.io/for-elasticsearch/ https://opendistro.github.io/for-elasticsearch/) will be selectively decommissioned and/or forwarded to the corresponding OpenSearch.org content.”
feroz 5y ago
Having used Open Distro for a little while, I really don't have high hopes for this project, although I would like to be proved wrong. Open Distro was largely unloved - lots of Github issues remaining untriaged, and various small but poor technical decisions. I've seen FOSS projects that don't have massive corporate backing handle their projects better. Perhaps the license change will force Amazon to put more resources into the project.
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thejosh 5y ago

How is it copying IP when it was licensed that way?

politician 5y ago
Elastic considers ElasticSearch to be its IP and has changed its license from Apache 2.0 to a more restrictive version to prevent AWS from monetizing it. In response, AWS forked ElasticSearch into OpenSearch at the most recent commit that was still on the Apache 2.0 license.