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That was sort of a primary plot point of the Ender's Game series.

godelski 5y ago
I wouldn't say primary plot of Ender's Game. I'd say it was a higher focus in Speaker for the Dead. Still, the device is used in a lot of Sci-Fis. Card wasn't even the first to use the term Ansible, though he did use that exact word.
- effingwewt 5y ago
  It was most definitely one of if not the most central plot point of the series. Not sure how far you got, but the entire series including the prequels is worth a read imho.
  - effingwewt 5y ago
    Dropped by to see what was up, only a drive-by downvote so let me explain since you didn't. Its becomes clear by the end that the ansibles being used were creating philotic threads throughout the universe. So the very thing they had been using for FTL communication was building a huge network. This allowed them to not only save the trees by uploading them, it akso allowed Ender to be brought to no-space where he was able to subconsciously create young Peter and Valentine. So, they ended up being central to the entire story. You're welcome.
  - ISV_Damocles 5y ago
    Here's why I believe you are being downvoted: 1. The original topic was about Ender's Game only, not the entire series, so you basically shifted the goalposts. 2. More importantly, I think you are using the wrong literary terminology and you and the others are talking over each other. Where you say "plot point" I believe you meant "plot device." The Ansible is definitely the primary plot device that makes so much of the story and how it flows possible, but the ansible is not the point of the plot itself. Throughout Ender's Game the plot point is reinforced that the rules of civilization will be broken when a credible threat shows itself. That is shown with the various physical conflicts Ender has with the other children at the individual level, it is shown with the tolerance the military has in order to shape Ender at the organizational level, and it is shown with the vilification of Ender so society at large does not have to grapple with just how badly it broke its own rules - so it can be done again if necessary for survival.
    - evilduck 5y ago
      FWIW I explicitly said "Ender's Game series". I think you're also redefining "plot point" to just be "plot". A plot point is simply an event that impacts what happens next. The reveal of FTL data happens late in the book but it is definitely both a plot point and a plot device. For the greater series though, it's basically the core concept of the story arc's plot.
      - effingwewt 5y ago
        Appreciated, I wasn't meaning to be rude, just love talking about this series in particular.

I wouldn't say primary plot of Ender's Game. I'd say it was a higher focus in Speaker for the Dead. Still, the device is used in a lot of Sci-Fis. Card wasn't even the first to use the term Ansible, though he did use that exact word.

effingwewt 5y ago
It was most definitely one of if not the most central plot point of the series. Not sure how far you got, but the entire series including the prequels is worth a read imho.
- effingwewt 5y ago
  Dropped by to see what was up, only a drive-by downvote so let me explain since you didn't. Its becomes clear by the end that the ansibles being used were creating philotic threads throughout the universe. So the very thing they had been using for FTL communication was building a huge network. This allowed them to not only save the trees by uploading them, it akso allowed Ender to be brought to no-space where he was able to subconsciously create young Peter and Valentine. So, they ended up being central to the entire story. You're welcome.
- ISV_Damocles 5y ago
  Here's why I believe you are being downvoted: 1. The original topic was about Ender's Game only, not the entire series, so you basically shifted the goalposts. 2. More importantly, I think you are using the wrong literary terminology and you and the others are talking over each other. Where you say "plot point" I believe you meant "plot device." The Ansible is definitely the primary plot device that makes so much of the story and how it flows possible, but the ansible is not the point of the plot itself. Throughout Ender's Game the plot point is reinforced that the rules of civilization will be broken when a credible threat shows itself. That is shown with the various physical conflicts Ender has with the other children at the individual level, it is shown with the tolerance the military has in order to shape Ender at the organizational level, and it is shown with the vilification of Ender so society at large does not have to grapple with just how badly it broke its own rules - so it can be done again if necessary for survival.
  - evilduck 5y ago
    FWIW I explicitly said "Ender's Game series". I think you're also redefining "plot point" to just be "plot". A plot point is simply an event that impacts what happens next. The reveal of FTL data happens late in the book but it is definitely both a plot point and a plot device. For the greater series though, it's basically the core concept of the story arc's plot.
    - effingwewt 5y ago
      Appreciated, I wasn't meaning to be rude, just love talking about this series in particular.