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Hack fix are subjective. That same logic can be applied to any car makes. Repairs are not a black box. They’re not using duck tape. A fix is a fix
by stevev 5y ago
Hack fix are subjective. That same logic can be applied to any car makes. Repairs are not a black box. They’re not using duck tape. A fix is a fix
- kube-system 5y agoIf you take an engineered system and apply a non-engineered fix, I'd say it's a hack, even if it works. Did this person do a metallurgical/chemical engineering analysis before changing the material type? OEMs do this on their cooling systems. No, they used a standard off-the-shelf fitting out of convenience. Will it work? Probably. Is it a compromise in terms of engineering design and testing? absolutely. Mind you, Tesla owns this car, and they probably would like to keep it in the condition in which they lent it out.
- ethbr0 5y agoI think some of the outrage is Tesla owning the car, but essentially demanding the renter keep it in like-new condition. Legally subject to the terms of the lease, of course. But it feels unfair not to accept normal wear and tear and reasonable repair.
- judge2020 5y agoLease monthly payments are charges for depreciation plus profit, so they do expect you to keep it in like-new condition. Tesla's screw-up was giving the customer the car and not verifying that they have comprehensive insurance, which is what Tesla relies on for keeping it like-new.
- kube-system 5y agoI bet they do have comprehensive insurance, but their insurance company told them that this is a collision loss. Just read my policy, which is written by a very large insurer -- and this would, in fact, be a collision loss under mine.
- asdfaoeu 5y agoThey didn't have comprehensive insurance but Tesla didn't verify it's mentioned in the video.
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- kube-system 5y agoCollision with an object in the road should be a collision claim anywhere in the US that I’m aware of. Maybe he’s confusing the two.
- ethbr0 5y agoDepreciation is variable though, and dependent on fair market value at lease termination. If Tesla designed the car with a part and sold said part, everyone would be better off: Tesla (less risk of catastrophic repair expenses), insurance companies (lower repair costs, less variability), and the customer (cheaper repairs and insurance). I get that's not a trivial request, but other car manufacturers manage the task.
- coupdejarnac 5y agoAs they say in the original video, it's just plumbing for a low pressure system. This is only a hack by the loosest definition.
- kube-system 5y agoCooling system corrosion has killed plenty of vehicles. I'm not saying it probably won't work for a long time, I'm just saying that it is now technically an engineering unknown. If it were my car, I would probably do it. If I were lending my car to someone, I probably would not want them doing it.
- anthonygd 5y agoIt seems clear the original engineering was also an _unknown_. Planning for failure cases is part of engineering: making a $16k part that is easily damaged and non-repairable is simply shoddy engineering.
- kube-system 5y agoTesla doesn’t market their cars as exceptionally repairable, I don’t think that repairability was an engineering priority. Prioritizing certain product attributes above others is not “shoddy engineering”, it is part of the normal textbook engineering process. The project management triad is a relationship between Cost, Quality, and Timeline. Elon wanted to be the first-to-market with an affordable modern electric car. And he accomplished exactly that.
- Arch-TK 5y agoAh yes, prioritizing important features like crashing into things at high speed, remotely making the car a brick if it gets written off, writing an unnecessary amount of data to flash until it wears out, misaligned panels. Just what are people actually paying for here? A shit experience?
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