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Nor will they sell you parts to repair it.

by roflchoppa 5y ago

hef19898 5y ago
So truely the Apple of cars then.
- Hamuko 5y ago
  At least the battery isn't glued in.
- smt88 5y ago
  Not exactly. Apple is renowned for the build quality of their hardware.
  - kuratkull 5y ago
    Not sarcasm + sarcasm?
  - raisedbyninjas 5y ago
    Tesla design and build quality can sometimes be pretty good after several years of questionable revisions.
  - coupdejarnac 5y ago
    Unless you've been watching Louis Rossman's repair videos for the past few years and have seen the same design flaws never getting fixed.
  - techrat 5y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8 - The horrible truth about Apple's repeated engineering failures. - Louis Rossmann
    - simondotau 5y ago
      The only difference between Apple and its competitors (Dell, Acer, Samsung, etc) is that Apple's shiny brand image makes content like Louis Rossmann's compelling. If the same treatment was applied to the likes of Dell and Acer, they'd be looking just as bad if not far, far worse than Apple. (To be clear, the above is regarding Apple's engineering specifically, not about their business practices. I agree that Apple's competitors are generally far better at parts supply and general right-to-repair matters.)
      - techrat 5y ago
        Funny because I've never had problems with, what is commonly accepted as the lowest of the three you mentioned: Acer, like I have with Apple. I have an old Chromebook C710 that just. will. not. die. My Partner's newer Macbook only has one working USB port now. There are more Apple products in my product history graveyard than everything else. Combined. I've long come to the conclusion that people simply treated their Apple devices better and not that they actually were higher quality or better engineered.
        simondotau 5y ago
        Fascinating. My own experience has been exactly the opposite. Every single Apple product I've ever bought has worked perfectly for their entire useful life. My own Apple graveyard is a stack of devices in perfect working condition. Whereas I'm looking at my pile of non-Apple devices and every single one of them had to be repaired, replaced or abandoned due to hardware failures. I've had to replace numerous Lenovo tablets and the last (expensive!) Dell laptop I bought started randomly crashing upon resume from sleep. And don't get me started on the Microsoft Surface Book. My partner (who worked at Microsoft) chose this as their work laptop. Junk. Driver problems. DRIVER PROBLEMS on MICROSOFT'S own hardware, managed by MICROSOFT'S own IT department.
  - markdown 5y ago
    That's an outdated perception. Look up flexgate. Apple acknowledged that they built faulty hardware, and yet still won't fix my laptop. Fuck 'em.
  - omega3 5y ago
    Surely this is a joke
judge2020 5y ago
As far as I can tell other manufacturers don't do any direct-to-consumer sales either - Honda seems to basically be a middleman to selling you parts that your local dealership has in-stock.
- topkai22 5y ago
  That is because, for historical reasons, they are generally not legally able to. Tesla has actually done great work pushing back on the requirements many states had to franchise automobile sales. However, almost every existing manufacturer has the entire country divided up into franchises and it is a legal nightmare to unpack it.
- roflchoppa 5y ago
  I’m a little confused by this statement; but here are my service options for my datsun. I can order parts from my local dealer, an online dealer, (and I’ve never tried it but I assume from Nissan), and finally the Nissan Motorsports department. If Tesla chooses to have no dealerships, then I have to go to them for support. If I go to a dealership and get ripped off, I can call the manufacturer and they can assist with the problem. Happened to our TSX when the motor was burning oil and the guy who was at the parts shop was saying it was within spec. I had to get a support representative from Honda involved with the repair.
- garmaine 5y ago
  They provide parts to more than just dealerships. There are plenty of auto parts warehouses you can order OEM parts from.

Nor will they sell you parts to repair it.

hef19898 5y ago

So truely the Apple of cars then.

Hamuko 5y ago
At least the battery isn't glued in.
smt88 5y ago
Not exactly. Apple is renowned for the build quality of their hardware.
- kuratkull 5y ago
  Not sarcasm + sarcasm?
- raisedbyninjas 5y ago
  Tesla design and build quality can sometimes be pretty good after several years of questionable revisions.
- coupdejarnac 5y ago
  Unless you've been watching Louis Rossman's repair videos for the past few years and have seen the same design flaws never getting fixed.
- techrat 5y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8 - The horrible truth about Apple's repeated engineering failures. - Louis Rossmann
  - simondotau 5y ago
    The only difference between Apple and its competitors (Dell, Acer, Samsung, etc) is that Apple's shiny brand image makes content like Louis Rossmann's compelling. If the same treatment was applied to the likes of Dell and Acer, they'd be looking just as bad if not far, far worse than Apple. (To be clear, the above is regarding Apple's engineering specifically, not about their business practices. I agree that Apple's competitors are generally far better at parts supply and general right-to-repair matters.)
    - techrat 5y ago
      Funny because I've never had problems with, what is commonly accepted as the lowest of the three you mentioned: Acer, like I have with Apple. I have an old Chromebook C710 that just. will. not. die. My Partner's newer Macbook only has one working USB port now. There are more Apple products in my product history graveyard than everything else. Combined. I've long come to the conclusion that people simply treated their Apple devices better and not that they actually were higher quality or better engineered.
      - simondotau 5y ago
        Fascinating. My own experience has been exactly the opposite. Every single Apple product I've ever bought has worked perfectly for their entire useful life. My own Apple graveyard is a stack of devices in perfect working condition. Whereas I'm looking at my pile of non-Apple devices and every single one of them had to be repaired, replaced or abandoned due to hardware failures. I've had to replace numerous Lenovo tablets and the last (expensive!) Dell laptop I bought started randomly crashing upon resume from sleep. And don't get me started on the Microsoft Surface Book. My partner (who worked at Microsoft) chose this as their work laptop. Junk. Driver problems. DRIVER PROBLEMS on MICROSOFT'S own hardware, managed by MICROSOFT'S own IT department.
- markdown 5y ago
  That's an outdated perception. Look up flexgate. Apple acknowledged that they built faulty hardware, and yet still won't fix my laptop. Fuck 'em.
- omega3 5y ago
  Surely this is a joke

judge2020 5y ago

As far as I can tell other manufacturers don't do any direct-to-consumer sales either - Honda seems to basically be a middleman to selling you parts that your local dealership has in-stock.

topkai22 5y ago
That is because, for historical reasons, they are generally not legally able to. Tesla has actually done great work pushing back on the requirements many states had to franchise automobile sales. However, almost every existing manufacturer has the entire country divided up into franchises and it is a legal nightmare to unpack it.
roflchoppa 5y ago
I’m a little confused by this statement; but here are my service options for my datsun. I can order parts from my local dealer, an online dealer, (and I’ve never tried it but I assume from Nissan), and finally the Nissan Motorsports department. If Tesla chooses to have no dealerships, then I have to go to them for support. If I go to a dealership and get ripped off, I can call the manufacturer and they can assist with the problem. Happened to our TSX when the motor was burning oil and the guy who was at the parts shop was saying it was within spec. I had to get a support representative from Honda involved with the repair.
garmaine 5y ago
They provide parts to more than just dealerships. There are plenty of auto parts warehouses you can order OEM parts from.