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Those are U.S. sanctions. They do not apply to the E.U. or Canada.

pope_meat 5y ago
What happens to a company that wants to do business with Cuba, and the United States. I'm not 100% certain, but I have a sneaking suspicion that in order to get access to the sweet little money piggies that is US consumers, you gotta swear not to do business with dirty terrorists and commies. Maybe that's not how it works, but boy I'd be shocked.
- nickff 5y ago
  Many airlines fly to both Cuba and the USA.
sudosysgen 5y ago
Yes, they do. Since 2019 you are legally liable if you trade with anyone in Cuban that is linked to goods seized in the revolution. The Canadian government and the EU have programs to mitigate that liability but it's still there.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  That's just normal. It's illegal anywhere to profit or sell stolen goods. Why not simply return the property to it's owners?
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    No, it's not normal. If you live in America all the land you may own and all its proceeds was stolen, obtained fraudulously, or obtained under duress. This is the case in almost every country on earth. You're not required to give it back because for better or for worse governments are considered sovereign, except for Cuba when that's convenient to US geopolitical goals.
    - alentist 5y ago
      https://spectatorworld.com/myth-stolen-country-america-new-world/ https://spectatorworld.com/myth-stolen-country-america-new-w...
      - etc-hosts 5y ago
        wow this article is amazingly stupid. where to begin? > historians have been unable to find any evidence that Columbus was genocidal, or had any particular ill-will towards the Native Americans that he encountered. Even the Spanish thought Columbus was genocidal enough to arrested, chained, and shipped back to Spain for judgement.
        alentist 5y ago
        Not according to historians [0]. The definition of genocide is [1]: genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group From [0]: Witnesses testified that his brief government of Hispaniola was marked by routine cruelty not only to the native Taínos but also to Spaniards who defied or mocked him. Columbus wanted living and multiplying subjects to tax and govern. He was not interested in depopulating newly acquired territories. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-christopher-columbus/2015/10/08/3e80f358-6d23-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-chr... [1] https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
- Turing_Machine 5y ago
  As noted above, no one has ever successfully filed and collected under that statute. Also, since 2019? What about the previous 60 years?
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    The act was signed in 1996 and prosecution was suspended before any suit was over. Lawsuit have started in 2019 which are still ongoing. This law has had a chilling effect ever since it was signed. It's sélective enforcement makes it worse, not better, as it allows the USG to privately threaten entities whenever most convenient. It's not even the only way that secondary sanctions can be exacted. The US can also effect force on foreign corporations by threatening to sanction their US suppliers.
- alentist 5y ago
  > Yes, they do. No, they don't. Canada, Spain, Netherlands, Germany, and Italy are among Cuba's top trade partners. https://oec.world/en/profile/country/cub https://oec.world/en/profile/country/cub
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    And that comes with significant pain to major companies many of which don't bother. The reason why all of these coubtries are in Canada or the EU is because those are the two jurisdiction where the government has laws to compel you to trade with Cuba and insure you against US secondary sanctions.
    - alentist 5y ago
      > And that comes with significant pain to major companies many of which don't bother. Source? > The reason why all of these coubtries are in Canada or the EU is But they're not all in Canada or the EU. Brazil, Mexico, China, and Russia are also among its top trade partners. > those are the two jurisdiction where the government has laws to compel you to trade with Cuba ?

What happens to a company that wants to do business with Cuba, and the United States. I'm not 100% certain, but I have a sneaking suspicion that in order to get access to the sweet little money piggies that is US consumers, you gotta swear not to do business with dirty terrorists and commies. Maybe that's not how it works, but boy I'd be shocked.

nickff 5y ago
Many airlines fly to both Cuba and the USA.

sudosysgen 5y ago

Yes, they do. Since 2019 you are legally liable if you trade with anyone in Cuban that is linked to goods seized in the revolution. The Canadian government and the EU have programs to mitigate that liability but it's still there.

908B64B197 5y ago
That's just normal. It's illegal anywhere to profit or sell stolen goods. Why not simply return the property to it's owners?
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  No, it's not normal. If you live in America all the land you may own and all its proceeds was stolen, obtained fraudulously, or obtained under duress. This is the case in almost every country on earth. You're not required to give it back because for better or for worse governments are considered sovereign, except for Cuba when that's convenient to US geopolitical goals.
  - alentist 5y ago
    https://spectatorworld.com/myth-stolen-country-america-new-world/ https://spectatorworld.com/myth-stolen-country-america-new-w...
    - etc-hosts 5y ago
      wow this article is amazingly stupid. where to begin? > historians have been unable to find any evidence that Columbus was genocidal, or had any particular ill-will towards the Native Americans that he encountered. Even the Spanish thought Columbus was genocidal enough to arrested, chained, and shipped back to Spain for judgement.
      - alentist 5y ago
        Not according to historians [0]. The definition of genocide is [1]: genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group From [0]: Witnesses testified that his brief government of Hispaniola was marked by routine cruelty not only to the native Taínos but also to Spaniards who defied or mocked him. Columbus wanted living and multiplying subjects to tax and govern. He was not interested in depopulating newly acquired territories. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-christopher-columbus/2015/10/08/3e80f358-6d23-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-chr... [1] https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
Turing_Machine 5y ago
As noted above, no one has ever successfully filed and collected under that statute. Also, since 2019? What about the previous 60 years?
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  The act was signed in 1996 and prosecution was suspended before any suit was over. Lawsuit have started in 2019 which are still ongoing. This law has had a chilling effect ever since it was signed. It's sélective enforcement makes it worse, not better, as it allows the USG to privately threaten entities whenever most convenient. It's not even the only way that secondary sanctions can be exacted. The US can also effect force on foreign corporations by threatening to sanction their US suppliers.
alentist 5y ago
> Yes, they do. No, they don't. Canada, Spain, Netherlands, Germany, and Italy are among Cuba's top trade partners. https://oec.world/en/profile/country/cub https://oec.world/en/profile/country/cub
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  And that comes with significant pain to major companies many of which don't bother. The reason why all of these coubtries are in Canada or the EU is because those are the two jurisdiction where the government has laws to compel you to trade with Cuba and insure you against US secondary sanctions.
  - alentist 5y ago
    > And that comes with significant pain to major companies many of which don't bother. Source? > The reason why all of these coubtries are in Canada or the EU is But they're not all in Canada or the EU. Brazil, Mexico, China, and Russia are also among its top trade partners. > those are the two jurisdiction where the government has laws to compel you to trade with Cuba ?