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Cuba is closer to rich trading partners (like the EU) than the Australia is to its rich trading partners (like the USA). Each also has poorer trading partners n

by nickff 5y ago

Cuba is closer to rich trading partners (like the EU) than the Australia is to its rich trading partners (like the USA). Each also has poorer trading partners nearby (SE Asian countries and Central American countries respectively).

pjc50 5y ago
Distance is kind of irrelvant. What is more relevant are the sanctions, maybe? https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2020/10/united-states-expands-cuban-assets-control-regulations https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2020/10/unite... https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/sanctions-programs-and-country-information/cuba-sanctions https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/... "WARNING: TOUR PACKAGES FOR SCUBA DIVING, BICYCLING, HUNTING, FISHING, HIKING OR OTHER TOURIST TRAVEL IN CUBA ARE ILLEGAL" https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/cubatrav.pdf https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/cubatrav.pdf (from the previous page)
- Turing_Machine 5y ago
  Those are U.S. sanctions. They do not apply to the E.U. or Canada.
  - pope_meat 5y ago
    What happens to a company that wants to do business with Cuba, and the United States. I'm not 100% certain, but I have a sneaking suspicion that in order to get access to the sweet little money piggies that is US consumers, you gotta swear not to do business with dirty terrorists and commies. Maybe that's not how it works, but boy I'd be shocked.
    - nickff 5y ago
      Many airlines fly to both Cuba and the USA.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Yes, they do. Since 2019 you are legally liable if you trade with anyone in Cuban that is linked to goods seized in the revolution. The Canadian government and the EU have programs to mitigate that liability but it's still there.
    - 908B64B197 5y ago
      That's just normal. It's illegal anywhere to profit or sell stolen goods. Why not simply return the property to it's owners?
      - sudosysgen 5y ago
        No, it's not normal. If you live in America all the land you may own and all its proceeds was stolen, obtained fraudulously, or obtained under duress. This is the case in almost every country on earth. You're not required to give it back because for better or for worse governments are considered sovereign, except for Cuba when that's convenient to US geopolitical goals.
        alentist 5y ago
        https://spectatorworld.com/myth-stolen-country-america-new-world/ https://spectatorworld.com/myth-stolen-country-america-new-w...
        etc-hosts 5y ago
        wow this article is amazingly stupid. where to begin? > historians have been unable to find any evidence that Columbus was genocidal, or had any particular ill-will towards the Native Americans that he encountered. Even the Spanish thought Columbus was genocidal enough to arrested, chained, and shipped back to Spain for judgement.
        alentist 5y ago
        Not according to historians [0]. The definition of genocide is [1]: genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group From [0]: Witnesses testified that his brief government of Hispaniola was marked by routine cruelty not only to the native Taínos but also to Spaniards who defied or mocked him. Columbus wanted living and multiplying subjects to tax and govern. He was not interested in depopulating newly acquired territories. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-christopher-columbus/2015/10/08/3e80f358-6d23-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-chr... [1] https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

by nickff 5y ago

pjc50 5y ago

Distance is kind of irrelvant. What is more relevant are the sanctions, maybe? https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2020/10/united-states-expands-cuban-assets-control-regulations https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2020/10/unite... https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/sanctions-programs-and-country-information/cuba-sanctions https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/... "WARNING: TOUR PACKAGES FOR SCUBA DIVING, BICYCLING, HUNTING, FISHING, HIKING OR OTHER TOURIST TRAVEL IN CUBA ARE ILLEGAL" https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/cubatrav.pdf https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/cubatrav.pdf (from the previous page)

Turing_Machine 5y ago
Those are U.S. sanctions. They do not apply to the E.U. or Canada.
- pope_meat 5y ago
  What happens to a company that wants to do business with Cuba, and the United States. I'm not 100% certain, but I have a sneaking suspicion that in order to get access to the sweet little money piggies that is US consumers, you gotta swear not to do business with dirty terrorists and commies. Maybe that's not how it works, but boy I'd be shocked.
  - nickff 5y ago
    Many airlines fly to both Cuba and the USA.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Yes, they do. Since 2019 you are legally liable if you trade with anyone in Cuban that is linked to goods seized in the revolution. The Canadian government and the EU have programs to mitigate that liability but it's still there.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    That's just normal. It's illegal anywhere to profit or sell stolen goods. Why not simply return the property to it's owners?
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      No, it's not normal. If you live in America all the land you may own and all its proceeds was stolen, obtained fraudulously, or obtained under duress. This is the case in almost every country on earth. You're not required to give it back because for better or for worse governments are considered sovereign, except for Cuba when that's convenient to US geopolitical goals.
      - alentist 5y ago
        https://spectatorworld.com/myth-stolen-country-america-new-world/ https://spectatorworld.com/myth-stolen-country-america-new-w...
        etc-hosts 5y ago
        wow this article is amazingly stupid. where to begin? > historians have been unable to find any evidence that Columbus was genocidal, or had any particular ill-will towards the Native Americans that he encountered. Even the Spanish thought Columbus was genocidal enough to arrested, chained, and shipped back to Spain for judgement.
        alentist 5y ago
        Not according to historians [0]. The definition of genocide is [1]: genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group From [0]: Witnesses testified that his brief government of Hispaniola was marked by routine cruelty not only to the native Taínos but also to Spaniards who defied or mocked him. Columbus wanted living and multiplying subjects to tax and govern. He was not interested in depopulating newly acquired territories. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-christopher-columbus/2015/10/08/3e80f358-6d23-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-chr... [1] https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml