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The fact that it 'only' requires human intervention so rarely is still incredibly dangerous. You can't ask a human to have complete focus for hours on end when

The fact that it 'only' requires human intervention so rarely is still incredibly dangerous. You can't ask a human to have complete focus for hours on end when they're not making any inputs, and then require them to intervene at a moment's notice. That's not how humans work. Also, the fact that they're distributing safety critical software to the public as a 'beta' is just insanity. How many more people need to die as a result of Autopilot?

cs702 5y ago
> You can't ask a human to have complete focus for hours on end when they're not making any inputs, and then require them to intervene at a moment's notice. That's not how humans work. I agree. Everyone agrees. That's why FSD Beta 9 is closed to the public. My understanding is that only a few thousand approved drivers can use it. > Also, the fact that they're distributing safety critical software to the public as a 'beta' is just insanity. How many more people need to die as a result of Autopilot? FSD 9 isn't being "distributed to the public." It's a closed Beta. Please don't attack a straw-man.
- steelframe 5y ago
  What are the qualifications of the people selected to participate in the Beta? Do they have any particular experience or receive special training that would set them apart from the general public?
  - SirZimzim 5y ago
    Yes, even if it's a limited release unless these people are professional drivers or Tesla employees these are just people from the public.
- atoav 5y ago
  What do the people sign that share the roads with those people? Or are they just colateral? A closed beta needs to happen on private roads. If it happens on public roads it is not a closed beta.
  - cs702 5y ago
    > What do the people sign that share the roads with those people? Some of the videos show drivers having to agree to take full responsibility for all driving.
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      I mean even if that’s true so-called beta software shouldn’t be on public roads.
    - atoav 5y ago
      That disn't answer my question. A private company should test their product on private roads.
      - nexuist 5y ago
        Nobody signed a waiver to drive next to Joe Blow hauling a mattress in his 82 VW Golf, yet he can do it every day. I don't see how FSD is any different than driving a car with aftermarket modifications. It's not like any of that stuff has to go through NHTSA certification to be road legal.
- rhinoceraptor 5y ago
  It’s a public beta, as far as I can tell it’s available to anyone with a Tesla with the FSD package.
  - valine 5y ago
    This is simply untrue.
    - studentrob 5y ago
      Let's clarify. It's public in the sense that a limited number of customers are driving with this on public roads. Also, Elon keeps promising "the button" which would allow any Tesla FSD "owner" to get the software. A number of people shelled out $10k for this software that they do not yet have. So there is a real possibility that it may soon be made available to everyone.
    - rhinoceraptor 5y ago
      So am I wrong in reading that if I purchase a Tesla with FSD hardware, apply for the beta, I can get it?

cs702 5y ago

> You can't ask a human to have complete focus for hours on end when they're not making any inputs, and then require them to intervene at a moment's notice. That's not how humans work. I agree. Everyone agrees. That's why FSD Beta 9 is closed to the public. My understanding is that only a few thousand approved drivers can use it. > Also, the fact that they're distributing safety critical software to the public as a 'beta' is just insanity. How many more people need to die as a result of Autopilot? FSD 9 isn't being "distributed to the public." It's a closed Beta. Please don't attack a straw-man.

steelframe 5y ago
What are the qualifications of the people selected to participate in the Beta? Do they have any particular experience or receive special training that would set them apart from the general public?
- SirZimzim 5y ago
  Yes, even if it's a limited release unless these people are professional drivers or Tesla employees these are just people from the public.
atoav 5y ago
What do the people sign that share the roads with those people? Or are they just colateral? A closed beta needs to happen on private roads. If it happens on public roads it is not a closed beta.
- cs702 5y ago
  > What do the people sign that share the roads with those people? Some of the videos show drivers having to agree to take full responsibility for all driving.
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    I mean even if that’s true so-called beta software shouldn’t be on public roads.
  - atoav 5y ago
    That disn't answer my question. A private company should test their product on private roads.
    - nexuist 5y ago
      Nobody signed a waiver to drive next to Joe Blow hauling a mattress in his 82 VW Golf, yet he can do it every day. I don't see how FSD is any different than driving a car with aftermarket modifications. It's not like any of that stuff has to go through NHTSA certification to be road legal.
rhinoceraptor 5y ago
It’s a public beta, as far as I can tell it’s available to anyone with a Tesla with the FSD package.
- valine 5y ago
  This is simply untrue.
  - studentrob 5y ago
    Let's clarify. It's public in the sense that a limited number of customers are driving with this on public roads. Also, Elon keeps promising "the button" which would allow any Tesla FSD "owner" to get the software. A number of people shelled out $10k for this software that they do not yet have. So there is a real possibility that it may soon be made available to everyone.
  - rhinoceraptor 5y ago
    So am I wrong in reading that if I purchase a Tesla with FSD hardware, apply for the beta, I can get it?